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To: jafojeffsurf; Grizzled Bear

Did it ever occur to Catholics that it could just have been that Mary went to Jesus about the wine not knowing HOW He was going to handle it? We can look at it in hindsight but that colors our perspective. Try putting yourself in that situation without any preconceived notions of what was going to happen.

Marriage suppers were family affairs in those days. It could very well be that somehow Mary was connected with hostessing the supper and when they ran out of wine, she came to Him to have Him deal with procuring more in the normal way, presumably because she knew that if she asked Him to do something, she could trust Him because He had proved Himself dependable.

I don’t think there’s anything in Scripture to indicate that she expected Him to deal with in any way out of the ordinary, that is sending someone out to buy more.


224 posted on 12/05/2010 8:16:01 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUdYeYy3NQA

This will answer many questions.


225 posted on 12/05/2010 8:17:24 PM PST by Not gonna take it anymore
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To: metmom; jafojeffsurf; Grizzled Bear

St. Irenaeus, Against Heresies (C. 180 A.D.):

“Consequently, then, Mary the Virgin is found to be obedient, saying:’ Behold, O Lord, your handmaid; be it done to me according to your word.’ Eve, however, was disobedient; and when yet a Virgin, she did not obey. So also Mary, betrothed to a man but nevertheless still a virgin, being obedient, was made the cause of salvation for herself and for the whole human race...Thus, the knot of Eve’s disobedience was loosed by the obedience of Mary. What the virgin had bound in unbelief, the Virgin Mary loosed through faith.”


231 posted on 12/05/2010 8:21:13 PM PST by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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To: metmom

Your more than welcome to not infer anything from the story of the wine but for me the facts are:
Wine was out
Mary Asked Jesus to resolve the problem
Jesus protested
Mary told the servants to follow Jesus directions
Jesus did it

Thus Mary knew Jesus would “Honor thy Mother” so for me cases closed.


248 posted on 12/05/2010 8:32:27 PM PST by jafojeffsurf ( Return to the Constitution.)
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To: metmom; jafojeffsurf
I don’t think there’s anything in Scripture to indicate that she expected Him to deal with in any way out of the ordinary, that is sending someone out to buy more.

Where the Gospel describes His early years, Mary would see Jesus do some unusual things. On the way back from Egypt, He wandered off from the caravan; they found Him in a temple amazing the teachers and scribes with His understanding. According to the Gospel, she "treasured it in her heart."

I believe that meant she didn't discuss the matters with others, but pondered on them.

She knew he was the Messiah so I think she expected some pretty amazing things...

253 posted on 12/05/2010 8:35:06 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: metmom

Did it ever occur to Catholics that it could just have been that Mary went to Jesus about the wine not knowing HOW He was going to handle it? We can look at it in hindsight but that colors our perspective. Try putting yourself in that situation without any preconceived notions of what was going to happen


makes sense to me.


604 posted on 12/06/2010 9:26:15 AM PST by ravenwolf (Just a bit of the long list of proofs)
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