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To: Dr. Eckleburg
I have, and will kneel again to my Blessed Mother. I do it out of respect; much as one would do in years past before a queen- to Catholics Mary is the Queen Mother.

What is wrong with kneeling? Have you ever knelt to pray? I've seen non-Catholics kneel to pray- are they worshiping the bible?

You do not seem to be able to differentiate between worshiping someone or something and showing a person honor and respect.

I most certainly do ask for Mary's help, and can attest to her powerful intercession. Have you ever asked anyone to pray for you? Obviously she does not take the place of the “One Mediator” Jesus.

I am reminded of Mary's role in the wedding at Cana, where Jesus turned water into wine on her behalf. Most imporantly, Catholics are very aware of her last words in the Gospel: “Do whatever He tell you”.

2,169 posted on 12/10/2010 11:54:16 AM PST by shurwouldluv_a_smallergov
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To: shurwouldluv_a_smallergov; Dr. Eckleburg; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; Belteshazzar; bkaycee; ...
I am reminded of Mary's role in the wedding at Cana, where Jesus turned water into wine on her behalf. Most imporantly, Catholics are very aware of her last words in the Gospel: “Do whatever He tell you”.

Then why do you pray to Mary?

When Jesus disciples asked Him to teach them to pray, what did He say?

Was it not this....?

Luke 11:1-13 1Now Jesus was praying in a certain place, and when he finished, one of his disciples said to him, "Lord, teach us to pray, as John taught his disciples." 2And he said to them, "When you pray, say:

"Father, hallowed be your name. Your kingdom come. 3 Give us each day our daily bread, 4and forgive us our sins, for we ourselves forgive everyone who is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation."

5And he said to them, "Which of you who has a friend will go to him at midnight and say to him, 'Friend, lend me three loaves, 6for a friend of mine has arrived on a journey, and I have nothing to set before him'; 7and he will answer from within, 'Do not bother me; the door is now shut, and my children are with me in bed. I cannot get up and give you anything'? 8I tell you, though he will not get up and give him anything because he is his friend, yet because of his impudence he will rise and give him whatever he needs.

9And I tell you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 10For everyone who asks receives, and the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks it will be opened. 11What father among you, if his son asks for a fish, will instead of a fish give him a serpent; 12or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion? 13If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will the heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!"

Now, tell me this....

Where did Jesus EVER teach anyone to pray to someone besides the Father?

Did He ever command anyone to pray to Mary or those who the RCC designates with the term *saint*?

Where did He ever command anyone to pray to someone besides the Father at all?

Is there any record of Jesus Himself ever praying to anyone but the Father?

Why don't Catholics pray as Jesus instructed us to?

2,178 posted on 12/10/2010 12:24:25 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: shurwouldluv_a_smallergov; Dr. Eckleburg; metmom
I have, and will kneel again to my Blessed Mother. I do it out of respect; much as one would do in years past before a queen- to Catholics Mary is the Queen Mother.

What is wrong with kneeling? Have you ever knelt to pray? I've seen non-Catholics kneel to pray- are they worshiping the bible?

The problem is, we're only supposed to pray to God. You're praying to creation when you need to pray to the Creator.

I'll reserve my worship for Christ. Meanwhile, you may do what seems right in your own eyes.

2,191 posted on 12/10/2010 12:58:31 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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