Posted on 12/05/2010 6:14:57 PM PST by RnMomof7
“...and he who says to his brother ‘thou fool’.....”
You've already been corrected about Leviticus. Maybe you missed it...
DR.E: There is a difference between the Commandments of God and the ceremonial laws of the Jews. The ceremonial laws have passed away with the advent of Jesus Christ. The commandments of God are eternal.
And I asked you what you thought James meant by his remarks in James 2:10-11.
So far, you're without an answer.
No surprise there.
I'll give you the verses again, ever hopeful for your discernment...
For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law." -- James 2:10-11" "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
>>No. But you interpreted that I have self-ascribed superior spirituality. So much for your interpretation skills or understanding what I was saying. <<
I suggest you reread your own post. You clearly state that the Holy Spirit is the interpretive medium, irrespective of the knowledge base of the reader.
Since you raised it in argument to why you do not need to know the original languages, you imply that you have such an interpretive medium — the Holy Spirit — and therefore do not need silly things like theological scholarship. You therefore attempt to take the spiritual high ground and thus, ascribe unto yourself spiritual superiority.
And, of course, I didn’t even have to bring up the obvious flaw in your post: what if 2 people imbued with the Holy Spirit come to diametrically opposed interpretations of fundamental passages? The one with the “best” Holy Spirit wins and should therefore be taken as the authority for such passages?
Enoch and Elijah, in my understanding, will be the Two Witnesses so despised by all the world in the Tribulation. That they were taken up and out of time does not mean that they will never die. They will. And yet they will rise again on the third day, and the world will know.
Going back to your commentary regarding sin, revisit the book of Romans, chapter 8 for a better understanding. Animals were subjected to futility because of the sin of Adam, therefore they and all Creation groans and travails, in anticipation of the coming of the Son of God.
Jesus Christ came to earth as a man in order to atone for the sin of Adam and all his subsequent descendants. He died as a sin offering, the final atonement for those who accept Him.
As far as infants, they are the children of Adam as well, and inherit a sin state, a propensity. They are flawed and fallen, as are we all. They are, as you note, incapable of consciously deciding to sin and are therefore innocents to a degree, but they are certainly subject to death, and the wage of sin is death. I have difficulty with this myself, but do know what scripture says upon the matter. I have a hope that consideration is made, and knowing that my God, our God, is fair and just and merciful, that babes who never had a conscious choice to sin will be accounted as forgiven in Christ Jesus. This I hope and pray in faith.
Does this make sense? Many believe as I do, it's not just my own personal interpretation of scripture.
>>I read God’s Word as Truth. I don’t read/study/meditate on IT to see if it is Truth<<
Like I said — nice system there. Your truth trumps all others.
>>Enoch and Elijah, in my understanding, will be the Two Witnesses so despised by all the world in the Tribulation. That they were taken up and out of time does not mean that they will never die. <<
How long? That extra plate is sometimes a bit of a hassle... ;)
At the very least, Mary was the most blessed woman who ever lived. She got to be the mother of Jesus, the Son of God. That we can all agree on.
The Immaculate Conception is a problem however. The Orthodox (who also don't have the doctrine of Original Sin) view the IC (for short, no disrespect) as another western innovation. The Early Church Father's don't really talk about her that much.
And some of the justifications for the IC are a bit gnostic IMO. Saying that Jesus could not have been surrounded by a sinful mother implies that He could also not have been really present on the earth. For whatever Mary was, the pagan Roman world made Vegas look like a Sunday School picnic.
There are much bigger things to debate, but this is something that is a real barrier between for instance the Eastern Orthodox and the Catholics. Not to mention the Lutherans in most synods.
The perpetual virginity of Mary is a silly thing to fight over though. Most Lutheran synods have taught that she did not have any more kids, and that Jesus’s brothers were more likely half brothers from an earlier marriage of Joseph's. The angel told Joseph who his adoptive son really was, and who was the Father. It isn't that big of a stretch to see that he would not want to lay with her after that!
>>I’ve made it mine and so can you. I don’t have anything that hasn’t been granted to you, also.<<
Yet I have it and disagree with your perspective. His Truth in my heart requires active investigation and introspection, not just passive spoon-feeding.
We all have an appointment with death. Unless we are alive at the rapture. Enoch and Elijah are no exceptions, their appointments were just made FAR into the future. But die they must.
Hi smvoice!
What about Moses?
He died on his birthday, the first day of the 11th month (Feb. 1) (Deut. 1:3), and was buried by God in the land of Moab.
>>Had to kill some sacred cows when I left and renew my mind with God’s Word which is on going. <<
Like i said — nice system you got there.
And you are saying that one has no choice but to sin? I would say that it is practically impossible for most of us not to sin- at least for those who have attained the age of reason. For those who have not attained the age of reason (babies, small children) it is impossible for them to sin.
Again, sin requires consent on the part of a sinner. I do not understand how sinlessness makes one equal to God? There is only one God, none equal Him. Again I'll use the case of babies; you still have not explained what sin they committed. Let's throw in angels while we're at it- they're biblical; did all angels sin or just the bad ones? If they all did not sin, are the sinless ones equal to God?
If you interpret "all have sinned" literally, who is to say that your interpretation is right? I agree that Scripture is God breathed- but not the only absolute truth there is. Where does it say that in the Bible? Technically, Jesus is the absolute Truth. He is THE Word, the Truth and the Life.
I would never dispute God; I am disputing your interpretation of God's word. How do you know that you are right and that I am wrong? In all humility, I agree with G.K. Chesterton who said "a Catholic is a person who has plucked up courage to face the incredible and inconceivable idea that something else may be wiser than he is."
I am not a Catholic, but was under the belief that Catholics practice infantile baptisms?
Some on this thread have accused Catholics of being infantile, and have posted pictures in an attempt to prove it; I won't waste the keystrokes to comment on that, but Catholics certainly do have their infants baptised. You partly answered your own question about baptism being the "new circumcision" in an earlier post. Circumcision was done 8 days after birth, if I remember correctly.
Baptism is the sacrament whereby that "original sin" inherited from Adam (inherited, NOT committed) is washed away, and we are made children of God. John 3:5 "Unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God."
The only thing we can be sure of in this life is that we are not going to get out of it alive; knowing not the day nor the hour, we have our children baptised.
It’s
!!!!TRADITION!!!!
for 98% of the frequently posting RC’s on FR.
The Vineyard is probably as close to my nondenominational current congregation as any label.
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