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Was Mary Sinless?
The Aristophrenium ^ | 12/05/2010 | " Fisher"

Posted on 12/05/2010 6:14:57 PM PST by RnMomof7

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To: freedumb2003

READ the whole Bible - it tells exactly who the ROCK is.

And Jesus was replying to the revelation that Peter received from God on ‘Who Jesus is’. It was on ‘Who HE is’, Jesus the Christ, that His church was being built on. Jesus, the Anointed One. The Rock of our Salvation.


441 posted on 12/05/2010 10:24:50 PM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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To: Quix

>>May God draw you ever closer to Himself, this week.<<

And you also — as you draw closer to Him your vision will undoubtedly become clearer (as shall mine no doubt).


442 posted on 12/05/2010 10:25:21 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Lt. Drebin: Like a blind man at an orgy, I was going to have to feel my way through.)
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To: lastchance

Shoot, I had my first pizza today . . . in almost a year.

The dentures still hurt though I have better suction on the bottoms than average. PTL for that.

Had deep dish. Tastey and functional enough. But had to cut it in tiny bite sized pieces to manage it.

Anyway—there are far worse things in life.

Cheers.


443 posted on 12/05/2010 10:26:42 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: freedumb2003

INDEED.


444 posted on 12/05/2010 10:27:15 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: MortMan; metmom; Quix
But (from a Catholic point of view), Christ’s sharing of original sin with Mary for 10 months during gestation wouod have tainted him. Therefore, she required absolution from original sin.

Christ spoke with the Samaritan woman at the well. He also spent much time with prostitutes, tax collectors and other sinful people. The Pharisees were outraged that he would interact with such "unclean" people. Associating with unclean people would surely make Him unclean!

The Pharisees were also offended that, while on a journey, on the Sabbath, Jesus' disciples "gleaned" wheat from the edge of the field, rolled it in their hands and ate the kernels. That's when Jesus explained why God gave us the Sabbath.

Jesus doesn't seem to conform to the behavior the legalists want to foist upon Him. He Rocks!

445 posted on 12/05/2010 10:27:24 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: presently no screen name

>>READ the whole Bible - it tells exactly who the ROCK is.

And Jesus was replying to the revelation that Peter received from God on ‘Who Jesus is’. It was on ‘Who HE is’, Jesus the Christ, that His church was being built on. Jesus, the Anointed One. The Rock of our Salvation.<<

Not only did I READ the Bible, I QUOTED it to you. There isn’t much room for insertion of opinion there. Jesus was speaking to Simon and was clear on what He wanted from Simon/Peter.

Any other interpretation is a torturous inversion of a very clear passage.

READing is fundamental.

If you give me a short while I think I can get the Aramaic (although it has been a while) and that should help provide the positional context you seem intent on distorting.

But no guarantees. Original Biblical passages in Aramaic, Hebrew and Greek seem to come and go on the Internet — I think educational institutions like to hide them but quien sabe...


446 posted on 12/05/2010 10:31:09 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Lt. Drebin: Like a blind man at an orgy, I was going to have to feel my way through.)
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To: Grizzled Bear

AMEN! AMEN!


447 posted on 12/05/2010 10:34:33 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Grizzled Bear

Drink enough beer...you’ll see it, if not, keep trying.


448 posted on 12/05/2010 10:37:01 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: freedumb2003; metmom; Quix
Do you think my FIL is a drug dealer because he goes to a Catholic church and burns a candle daily in respect of the saints he sees as guiding forces in his life?

Gee skippy, my own mother lit candles to saints. It's still idol worship. Mexico is known for mixing Catholicism with pagan worship. I'm not calling your FIL a drug dealer. I'm suggesting those that make offering to statues are pagans.

Muerte was an extreme example of idol worship. A better place is Isaiah 40. Why do you offer gifts to statues? Do these statues eat or drink? Do flowers please them? Do the eyes of these statues see light so that you must light candles for them?

What power do they have? They cannot move on their own so you must carry them from place to place. Yet you sacrifice offerings to them in and attempt to entice them to act on your behalf.

The curtain in the temple was torn in half. You can go directly to the Lord. Why does this bother you?

Do you prefer small gods that you can carry around?

449 posted on 12/05/2010 10:39:32 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Quix
Had deep dish. Tastey and functional enough. But had to cut it in tiny bite sized pieces to manage it.

As long as you got the job done it's all good!

From playing guitar, I got in the habit of eating fries with a fork. I attended jam sessions in places that offered bar food. The salt and grease can really screw up your fret board.

Habits die hard and while deployed, I used my fork to eat my fries. I got a lot of really odd looks.

450 posted on 12/05/2010 10:42:56 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Grizzled Bear
. It's still idol worship. Mexico is known for mixing Catholicism with pagan worship. I'm not calling your FIL a drug dealer. I'm suggesting those that make offering to statues are pagans.

But they are not. They are merely a cultural respect for saints who are seen as a positive force in one's life. And the Lady of Guadalupe is venerated across Latin America.

I see no downside and, although I hesitate to speak for God, I suspect He accepts the offerings in the spirit they are meant.

God is not a prig.

451 posted on 12/05/2010 10:44:01 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Lt. Drebin: Like a blind man at an orgy, I was going to have to feel my way through.)
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To: MortMan; RegulatorCountry
The Catholic stance is that Mary required forgiveness of original sin because she shared blood and flesh with Christ for 9 months.

Then he Catholic church doesn't really understand the mechanics of pregnancy.

They do not share flesh, as the baby is a separate entity from the mother.

They do not share blood, as they each have their own circulatory systems with the baby as likely as not, having a different blood type than the mother.

Besides, the body is not the spirit or soul. The body is corrupted by the sinfulness of the soul, but the sin originates in the heart long before it's acted out in the body.

452 posted on 12/05/2010 10:46:38 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Quix
Shoot, I had my first pizza today . . . in almost a year.

Wow -- that had to really suck. I am not a big pizza guy but it is nice to get one when the I feel the craving.

I hope this means you are an upward swing ending with steak and the like!

453 posted on 12/05/2010 10:46:55 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Lt. Drebin: Like a blind man at an orgy, I was going to have to feel my way through.)
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To: Grizzled Bear

I use chopsticks . . . and for popcorn.

Originally to keep my books clean.

Though popcorn has been off the menu for a long time, too. LOL.


454 posted on 12/05/2010 10:47:54 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: RnMomof7

“an honest question about salvation is not a lie..it is a question.. I know Catholics are never allowed to have questions, but as a protestant i am”

Catholics are allowed to ask questions. Maybe you just didn’t like the answers.


455 posted on 12/05/2010 10:48:05 PM PST by lara
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To: metmom
Then he Catholic church doesn't really understand the mechanics of pregnancy.

I am pretty sure the Catholic Church understand pregnancy better than most (along with the Mormons). You know the definition of people who use "the rhythm method?" -- PARENTS!

456 posted on 12/05/2010 10:49:11 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Lt. Drebin: Like a blind man at an orgy, I was going to have to feel my way through.)
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To: freedumb2003

Thanks for your kind wishes.

Not to the steak stage yet.

Well pulverized chicken fried steak . . . works.

One good benefit of the toothlessness and months of gruel . . . I eat a lot less now.

Half a medium portion can fill me.

The pizza today. I had one slice. A year ago, I might have had 2 or 3.

Thin crust—3 or 4 pieces.

Not now.

LOL.


457 posted on 12/05/2010 10:50:44 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: freedumb2003; metmom; Quix
I see no downside and, although I hesitate to speak for God, I suspect He accepts the offerings in the spirit they are meant.

The problem is, an offering to "Our Lady of Guadalupe" is not an offering to God.

I think the true saints, those who suffered for Christ, would be offended by prayers or offerings made to them rather than to Christ.

In the old testament, even God's angels were greatly disturbed when men bowed to them. They recalled how Satan tried to take God's place.

By making offerings to idols, you're doing no better than if you sacrifice a goat for zeus.

458 posted on 12/05/2010 10:53:31 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Grizzled Bear

agreed


459 posted on 12/05/2010 10:56:16 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

Cheers to you too. I hate, hate the fact that I have problem teeth and will most likely end up with a bridge sooner rather than later so I totally sympathize with you. Glad you enjoyed the pizza.


460 posted on 12/05/2010 10:59:19 PM PST by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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