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Was Mary Sinless?
The Aristophrenium ^ | 12/05/2010 | " Fisher"

Posted on 12/05/2010 6:14:57 PM PST by RnMomof7

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To: narses; All
Hey, quix set the standard.

Actually, elite leftists set the standard long ago -those that would set themselves up as a God have been around for ages.

They tell you what you are thinking, what you believe, and then after telling you what you think and belief they tell you that you are wrong and they are right.

Hey though --there is no need to worry about salvation with these elite people around -just kiss their feet and your saved... Well not really ---Know them by their fruit -a good tree does not produce bad fruit...

Yes --"they" always "win" the debate because they really do not debate -any supposed "questions" already have been answered -they do not seek knowledge or really care what you feel or think or believe --THEY just seek an audience to hold court upon as they crown themselves God. These types seek merely a way to engage one in assisting them with the delusional and self indulgent false anointing they grow ever addicted to...

Jesus was correct about these types -turning the other cheek is the best remedy... Without an audience to participate in their ritual they quickly become irrelevant...

421 posted on 12/05/2010 10:07:05 PM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: Quix; narses
Actually, it’s not per se PERSONS whom I disagree with that per se trigger such images. IT IS GROSS ABSURDITIES, OUTRAGEOUS DUPLICITIES, and otherwise horrific assertions that I’d just as soon not get embroiled in in that post. THEREFORE, an image fits the bill much better. Sometimes, it’s because I think I’ve pontificated enough and prefer to just post pics.

Yeah, I was just taking a quick look on my way to bed, after watching the Steelers victory, and was surprised to see a name other than yours attached to a photo that I recognized, and associated with, one of your regular, non-verbal responses.

I've never seen that picture posted by anyone other than you.

Not sure why you felt the need to ping everyone on "Team Quix", but I'm going to bed, so I guess it will be something to read and laugh over in the morning.

422 posted on 12/05/2010 10:07:18 PM PST by airborne (Why is it we won't allow the Bible in school, but we will in prison? Think about it.)
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To: MortMan
If Mary had carried the guilt of “original sin”, then Christ would not have been sinless. If Christ carried original sin as a stain on his soul, he could never have been the perfect sacrifice that atoned for all of our sins.

The sin nature comes from the father, not the mother.

The reason that Jesus was born sinless was because he didn't have a human father; God was His father. He inherited His Father's nature.

423 posted on 12/05/2010 10:07:20 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Quix

Dude, fire your dentist.


424 posted on 12/05/2010 10:07:41 PM PST by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: Grizzled Bear
As far as Mary being "full of Grace," any forgiven sinner can tell describe the sensation of being "full of Grace."

In Catholic teaching, "grace" is not a feeling; it's a true, objective state of the soul, a participation in the Divine Life. The term often used is "sanctifying grace", which makes the soul pleasing to God. Adam and Eve lost this original gift by their sin, and it is restored to the Christian soul in Baptism. The restoration of grace was made possible by the sacrificial death of Christ on the cross.
425 posted on 12/05/2010 10:08:10 PM PST by Deo volente (God willing, America will survive this Obamination.)
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To: freedumb2003

You’re crediting half the world coming to God on a vision????

Like they wouldn’t have heard any other way?


426 posted on 12/05/2010 10:09:20 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Quix

I see — it is a version of OCD.

Well, at least I sort of understand it.

That was a very nice thread you started there. I also support FReepers even when they disagree with me (aka “wrong”) over others.

It takes a lot of smarts and stones to hang here at FR. We do not suffer fools lightly and many have been shown the door.

We may disagree, but you are good guy there, Quix.


427 posted on 12/05/2010 10:09:22 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Lt. Drebin: Like a blind man at an orgy, I was going to have to feel my way through.)
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To: metmom; presently no screen name
But half the world?????

REALLY?????

He means "the other half."

I hope this helps.

428 posted on 12/05/2010 10:09:26 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: airborne

I ping those characters for a lot of reasons . . .

One of their most valuable services to me is as a reality check on my own perspective and human-ness.


429 posted on 12/05/2010 10:10:40 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: MortMan

If Mary was sinless, there would be no reason for Jesus. She could have been sacrificed.

God gave His Son because no man was sinless. ONLY GOD is sinless. To say otherwise, is calling God’s Word a lie. And that’s what satan has done from the beginning. It’s good vs evil with this Mary being born sinless. She was a virgin, that is all that was required. God’s makes the rules and it was prophesied Jesus would be born of a virgin - not someone sinless.


430 posted on 12/05/2010 10:12:51 PM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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To: RegulatorCountry

The Catholic stance is that Mary required forgiveness of original sin because she shared blood and flesh with Christ for 9 months.

Who amongst Mary’s foremothers can claim the same?

I am not espousing a single theological belief, FRiend. I am explaining the differences between beliefs, according to what I have personally endeavored to understand.


431 posted on 12/05/2010 10:13:38 PM PST by MortMan (To Obama "Kill them all and let [God] sort them out" is an abortion slogan.)
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To: Deo volente
The restoration of grace was made possible by the sacrificial death of Christ on the cross.

The point is, grace flows from our redeemer, Jesus. It does not come from Mary.

432 posted on 12/05/2010 10:13:46 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: presently no screen name

Mea Culpa.

Mary needn’t have been sinless.

But (from a Catholic point of view), Christ’s sharing of original sin with Mary for 10 months during gestation wouod have tainted him. Therefore, she required absolution from original sin.

MortMan, having attained a perfect state of fatigue, requires sleep.

Therefore, I will answer further responses tomorrow.

Good night, all.


433 posted on 12/05/2010 10:17:26 PM PST by MortMan (To Obama "Kill them all and let [God] sort them out" is an abortion slogan.)
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To: metmom

EVIL knows no bounds.


434 posted on 12/05/2010 10:17:41 PM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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To: DBeers; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; ..
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Sounds like rather upside down
convoluted perceptions, to me.

435 posted on 12/05/2010 10:19:18 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: lastchance

Actually, that bloke has more teeth than I do.


436 posted on 12/05/2010 10:20:17 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: presently no screen name

Not true as she was not sinless on her own merit but because she had been preserved from sin by the grace and merits of Christ. Jesus is God and is by His very nature sinless.


437 posted on 12/05/2010 10:20:57 PM PST by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: freedumb2003

Thanks for your kind

[I think]

reply.

May God draw you ever closer to Himself, this week.


438 posted on 12/05/2010 10:21:35 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Grizzled Bear

>>I find the drug gangs demonstrations of love and respect for Santa Muerte particularly touching. Don’t you?<<

Have you been to Mexico? Your analogy is like saying that since some Blacks such as jessie jackson and sharpton are race pimps, all blacks are race pimps.

I assure you my Mexican father in law is quite the devout Christian, but he also makes it a point to honor St. Thaddius, the patron saint of lost causes (that would be me probably) and St. Joseph, the patron saint of workmen (my FIL works 6 days a week and is over 80 years old).

Do you think my FIL is a drug dealer because he goes to a Catholic church and burns a candle daily in respect of the saints he sees as guiding forces in his life?

I invite you to rethink your rash statement.


439 posted on 12/05/2010 10:22:00 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Lt. Drebin: Like a blind man at an orgy, I was going to have to feel my way through.)
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To: Quix

Eating corn on the cob must be a real challenge.


440 posted on 12/05/2010 10:22:13 PM PST by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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