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To: maryz; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; Belteshazzar; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; ...

“This (Then why do they give her titles which belong to God alone and credit her with attributes of God alone?) is a preposterous claim. Can you substantiate it?”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2637151/posts?page=217#217

http://campus.udayton.edu/mary/prayers/mpray02.html#4

Prayer to Mary Help of Christians

Most Holy and Immaculate Virgin, Help of Christians, we place ourselves under your motherly protection. Throughout the Church’s history you have helped Christians in times of trial, temptation and danger. Time and time again, you have proven to be the Refuge of sinners, the Hope of the hopeless, the Consoler of the afflicted, and the Comforter of the dying. We promise to be faithful disciples of Jesus Christ, your Son, to proclaim His Good News of God’s love for all people, and to work for peace and justice in our world. With faith in your intercession, we pray for the Church, for our family and friends, for the poor and abandoned, and all the dying. Grant, O Mary, Help of Christians, the graces of which we stand in need. (Mention your intentions.) May we serve Jesus with fidelity and love until death. Help us and our loved ones to attain the boundless joy of being forever with our Father in heaven. Amen.

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From the Catechism of the Catholic church....
http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/p123a9p6.htm

969 “This motherhood of Mary in the order of grace continues uninterruptedly from the consent which she loyally gave at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, until the eternal fulfillment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation .... Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix.”510

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Names of God from the Bible. Compare them to the names given to Mary in the above prayer.

Jesus
Hope (our) - 1 Timothy 1:1
Counselor - Isaiah 9:6
Advocate - 1 John 2:1
Mediator - 1 Timothy 2:5, Hebrews 9:15, Hebrews 12:24

Holy Spirit
Comforter - John 14:26


648 posted on 12/05/2010 10:16:02 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

Right on, metmom.

There is no dispute - satan and his tactics - taking what is assigned to God and giving it to Mary, their idol. And the blind have fallen into his trap.


657 posted on 12/05/2010 10:33:55 PM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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To: metmom

Absolutely indeed.

Hideous.


659 posted on 12/05/2010 10:36:17 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: metmom

You have helped Christians in times of trial, temptation and danger
the Refuge of sinners,
the Hope of the hopeless
the Consoler of the afflicted, and
the Comforter of the dying.

These are all given from Christ and He alone....not Mary..Never Mary.

There is no scripture assigning these to her....no story of her being a refuge fo any sinner...nor bringing anyone hope. Further we are counsoled and comforted within by His Holy Spirit.


668 posted on 12/05/2010 11:04:43 PM PST by caww
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To: metmom
You gave the impression you meant actual titles (Creator, Savior, Sanctifier, Most High) or attributes (omnipotence, omniscience, omnipresence, immutability, impassibility, etc.) proper only to God. Many people are in fact and in certain circumstances our hope, our advocates, counsellors, mediators and comforters -- these are not titles or attributes exclusive to God and acting in such functions does not make them God.
672 posted on 12/06/2010 1:51:44 AM PST by maryz
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