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To: DWar
Another truth is that God alone is the Judge of the thoughts and intents of the heart. (Heb 4:12)

The Jesus lead spirit will tell the story, let the Holy Spirit convict and convince and demonstrate a loving life.

Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

While God does judge the thoughts and intents of the heart, Hebrews 4:12 is a salient verse in that is speaking of the written words of God, not the Word of God...Seems kinda strange I suppose...

The words in the book will judge you...Why??? Because you must believe the words in the book...The book is our means of God communicating to us...Note:

Heb 4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

Unbelief in what??? Unbelief in what God tells us thru the scriptures...

The (written) word of God pierces our bodies and separates the soul and spirit from the joints and marrow...

The written words of God are alive...They are the voice of God...

It is our duty to proclaim these words of God to the world...

There are many spirits gone out into the world...Can we rely on the Holy Spirit alone to guide us??? How do we know it is the Holy Spirit guiding us??? God says to 'prove all things'...We must prove all things by the words of God, the scriptures...

58 posted on 12/04/2010 2:44:09 AM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool
Hebrews 4:12 is a salient verse in that is speaking of the written words of God, not the Word of God

The (written) word of God pierces our bodies and separates the soul and spirit from the joints and marrow...

The written words of God are alive...They are the voice of God...

While I'm certain you believe this, your assertion that the reference is to the written word (rhema) and not the living Word of God (Logos) is not supported by the original Greek.

Hebrews 4:12
λόγος τοῦ θεοῦ,
Logos of God = living Word of God

John 1:1
Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος, ... καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος.
In the beginning was the Logos (living Word) ... and the Logos (living Word) was God.

While it is true that there is much overlap in the usage of the terms rhema and Logos in the Greek New Testament, the inflexible assertion that this particular usage is exclusively to the written word requires interpretation.
Interpretation is the tool of cultists and tyrants... religious and otherwise.

The Bible, both Old and New Testaments, is divinely inspired but not itself divine. It is a tool given to us by God to lead us to a relationship with Him through Christ. The Old Testament pointed people who lived prior to Jesus forward to Him and the work He would do for humanity. The New Testament points those who were born after Christ back to the work He did for humanity. The purpose is the restoration of our relationship with God through the work and sacrifice of God through Jesus Christ. It is a tool. It is not to be worshiped.

Religious Jews in the time of Christ, especially the Pharisees, were so focused on the written word they were unable to recognize the living Word when He stood right in front of them healing the blind and feeding the thousands. Their elevation of the written word of God, the Old Testament at that time, was to make it into a religious club with which they could beat people into submission to them and their interpretation.

They truly had less interest their own relationship with God or in helping others to come to a restoration of their relationship with God than they did in winning the intellectual debate, being right and controlling others. Many Christian 'intellectuals' today share this same malady.

There are many spirits gone out into the world...Can we rely on the Holy Spirit alone to guide us???

Is the Holy Spirit God? Yes. Can God fail? No. So any failure of accurately hearing the Holy Spirit must be ours in the listening not His in the speaking. Because we are human we are prone to hear incorrectly, however. That's where verification with the Scripture enters.

How do we know it is the Holy Spirit guiding us?

Consistency. The Holy Spirit will not contradict the CLEAR teaching of Scripture. And CORRECT understanding of the Scripture will never contradict the leading of the Spirit.

God says to 'prove all things'...We must prove all things by the words of God, the scriptures...

The Scripture is exceedingly important in judging spiritual guidance. But it is not the only thing to be considered. There must be interaction with the Spirit, as well. Many cults have used intellectually based argumentation and twisting of Scripture to fit Their preconceived ideas.

An over emphasis on an intellectual understanding of The Bible will lead to cultish legalistic distortions, choking on a gnat and swallowing a camel. An over emphasis on a spiritual leading into the Christian life will lead to cultish metaphysical distortions, existential anarchy. I approach it like I do sailing. I know the direction but traveling in an exact straight line is impossible so I tack left a little and right a little, relying on both the Holy Spirit and Scripture.

If God wanted blind, strict, inerrant obedience 100% of the time, no discussion He could have made us automatons with no free will. But relationship is God's ultimate purpose. And relationship is not a one way street. It has ups and downs. It moves right and left. It's up to each person to choose their participation level.

Rom 8:14 & 15 "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are children of God. For you didn’t receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!

Led by the Spirit into relationship.

249 posted on 12/04/2010 4:20:32 PM PST by DWar ("The ultimate destination of Political Correctness is totalitarianism.")
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