[editor-surveyor]

Not only do those in heaven pray with us, they also pray for us. In the book of Revelation, we read: “[An] angel came and stood at the altar [in heaven] with a golden censer; and he was given much incense to mingle with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar before the throne; and the smoke of the incense rose with the prayers of the saints from the hand of the angel before God” (Rev. 8:3-4)."

And those in heaven who offer to God our prayers aren’t just angels, but humans as well. John sees that “the twenty-four elders [the leaders of the people of God in heaven] fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints” (Rev. 5:8).

Both of those references are Post Rapture, when the saints will be in Heaven in their changed bodies.

Neither of them can be used as a justification for the present saints praying to the deceased brethren.

[narses]

“Both of those references are Post Rapture,”

Really? Says who, Pope editor-surveyor I and his lonely little internet flock?

Sorry, but 2,000 years of mainstream Christian scholarship make your claim a laughable twaddle.