Where did I say they were not in the bible?? please show me.. I quoted the verse PROCEEDING the greeting of elizabeth ...Why was Mary called blessed by God among women ?? The question is how did Elizabeth know it??
Yes, when Elizabeth HEARD THE VOICE OF MARY, John the Baptist leapt with joy in his mother's womb.
Can you read scripture with UNDERSTANDING? It was NOT MARY that opened Elizabeths eyes . Mary had not one thing to do with Elizabeth's revelation . It was the presence of Christ herald by Mary's greeting ..
One more time
Luk 1:41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:
It was like ALL THINGS a work of God..NOT MARY it was His presence not hers
All men were condemned prior to the coming of Christ, for all have been born with original sin. Except one, she who was "filled with grace."
All men are still condemned today until they repent and believe in Christ as their Savior.. However to say that ALL men were consigned to hell ( as you imply) ,Abraham. Jacob .joseph, Moses David, etc... would be very surprised.. (read Hebrews 11)
There is not one infallible word written that says or implies mary was ever sinless... what she was, was faithful and obedient .... never said or implied sinless ..
John was the greatest among prophets,
And the scripture that says Mary is greater than the prophets is found where???
(for he died without being saved by Grace,
Really?? You know that how??? Hbr 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
ALL the old Testament Saints were saved by grace.. theOld testament God is the same as the new Testament God... His mercy and forbearance has never changed, neither has the means of His salvation.. We are saved by looking BACK at the cross in faith..THEY were saved looking FORWARD to the cross..
By your understanding, you would also have to presume that John the Baptist was greater than Peter, Paul, John the evangelist, James and the rest of the disciples, for they were also born of women by that time.
You know I had never really thought about it before.. but indeed John must be greater than them. Scripture is by its very nature written by prophets ( ones that speak for God), and if John was the greatest of prophets born of women.. then in Gods economy he must be greater
Can you read scripture with UNDERSTANDING? It was NOT MARY that opened Elizabeth's eyes. Mary had not one thing to do with Elizabeth's revelation. It was the presence of Christ herald by Mary's greeting.
AMEN!
They look to the creature for salvation when there is only one God and He is enough.
ALL the old Testament Saints were saved by grace.. the Old testament God is the same as the new Testament God...His mercy and forbearance has never changed, neither has the means of His salvation...We are saved by looking BACK at the cross in faith...THEY were saved looking FORWARD to the cross.
AMEN!
>> All men are still condemned today until they repent and believe in Christ as their Savior.. However to say that ALL men were consigned to hell ( as you imply) ,Abraham. Jacob .joseph, Moses David, etc... would be very surprised.. (read Hebrews 11) <<
All men are condemned to Hell / Sheol / the Grave / Prison, apart from Christ. David knew he was bound for Sheol, yet he also prophetically foretold he would be rescued from Sheol, afterward. Yes, the “bosom of Abraham” was in Sheol. (The ancient Church called this “The Hell of the Patriarchs.”) Sheol was not necessarily a place of torment and infinite suffering, but it was certainly the same word translated as “Hades,” and “Hell.” (”Tartarus,” borrowing metaphorically from the Greek or “Gehenna,” borrowing metaphorically from the Hebrew burning trash dumps were words used for torment.)
When Peter says that Christ preached to the souls in prison after he died and was buried, the ancient Church understood this to mean that he “descended into Hell” and preached to the souls of the just, so they may be saved. Apart from the blood of Christ, no-one, not even John the Baptist, was saved. This is why Jesus explicitly states that the Least in the Kingdom of Heaven is greater than John the Baptist.
Mary was a disciple of Christ. She did not die, and go to Sheol, as the prophets of old did. So, yes, when the gospel tells us that the Least of the Kingdom of Heaven is greater than greatest of the prophets, we can safely know that Mary was greater than John.