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To: Natural Law
Your relationship with God is directly with Him. The Church does not intercede or interfere with that relationship even in cases of excommunication.

Why is it that you guys know so little about your religion but then make what appear to be authoritative statements put out by your Catholic religion???

The foundation of all Our confidence, as you know well, Venerable Brethren, is found in the Blessed Virgin Mary. For, God has committed to Mary the treasury of all good things, in order that everyone may know that through her are obtained every hope, every grace, and all salvation. For this is His will, that we obtain everything through Mary.[3]

1. St. Gregory, Pope, de Exposit. in libros Regum.
2. St. Bernard, Serm. in cap. XII Apocalyps.
3. St. Bernard, In Nativit. S. Mariae de Aquaeductu.

4. ...With equal truth may it be also affirmed that, by the will of God, Mary is the intermediary through whom is distributed unto us this immense treasure of mercies gathered by God, for mercy and truth were created by Jesus Christ.[6] Thus as no man goeth to the Father but by the Son, so no man goeth to Christ but by His Mother. ...

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For God has committed to Mary the treasury of all good things, in order that everyone may know that through her are obtained every hope, every grace, and all salvation. For this is his will, that we obtain everything through Mary.”

from Catholic on-line, no less

Your religion erroneously teaches that there is no Salvation without going thru Mary...Why don't you know that??? Apostasy...

401 posted on 12/05/2010 1:34:54 AM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool

Your religion erroneously teaches that there is no Salvation without going thru Mary...Why don’t you know that??? Apostasy...


INDEED. They deny that Ferraro’s collection of Roman Catholic convictions are normative for the RCC. Yet, they relentlessly PROVE that they are.

What hideousness.


408 posted on 12/05/2010 5:44:37 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Iscool
"Why is it that you guys..."

It can all be explained pretty simpl, you don't know what the heck you are talking about. What is it with you guys that you profess to spend so much time "studying" Catholicism with an objective of finding its flaws when you so obviously know nothing about it? What is equally clear is that studying the religions you reject such as Islam, Moromnism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Sikhism, Bahia, Zoroasternism, Jainism, Sikhism, Shinto, Judaism, Cao Dai, Wicca, Chinese or African Folk Religions, Rastafarianism or Universal Unitarianism or even sifting through the mess of Protestantism to know the differences between Pietism and Methodism, Evangelicalism, Adventism, Modernism and Liberalism, Pentecostalism, Fundamentalism, Neo-orthodoxy, New Evangelicalism, Paleo-Orthodoxy, Ecumenism you have no time to gain an expertise in any of them or your own. You certainly have to never studied the Catholic faith sufficiently to gain an expertise on par with the Catholics on FR who have spent the majority of their lives learning the richness and complexity. All you can do is parrot the postings of your anti-Catholic cohorts and the out of context snippets gleaned from forbidden websites and illiterate street preachers.

What the anti-Catholics dredge up as "proof" of some Catholic belief in saving powers of Mary is simply horse hockey and frankly I don't care if you believe it or not. Ubi Primum was an encyclical seeking input from the bishops on the special nature of Mary, the greatest of all saints. Further, information from well intentioned "Catholic" websites is not official Church doctrine, but rather a public forum. Most often these are not completely wrong as they are simply incomplete.

The Catholic Church does not teach that we must go through Mary, but it does recognize that Salvation is the product of Mary's womb. That is undeniable.

Now, if you are searching for answers please or simply trying to establish an understanding for the purpose of Ecumenicalism please continue to study the Catechism and for your own sake seek out a competent Catechist. However, if you are only looking for evidence of your own spiritual superiority you are not going to impress learned Catholics or God.

428 posted on 12/05/2010 9:42:53 AM PST by Natural Law
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