Posted on 12/03/2010 4:14:50 PM PST by bibletruth
With Christ the Word became incarnate. The incarnate Word gave us a Church. That Church was a new incarnate ark to preserve, defend and spread the Revealed Word. For 2,000 years that incarnate ark has successfully defended the Revealed Word against heresy, mass indifference, and the very gates of Hell. The assaults of your fanatical anti-Catholic cabal that includes fringe Protestants, Muslims, communists, fascists, atheists, satanists and other evil doers who wish the demise of the Church are of no consequence. As long as God wants His message preserved the Church will prevail.
You and the fake “doctor” against the great majority of Christendom, eh? Ignoring 2,000 years of history and the plain Word of God, you two twaddle heresies. Sad.
“So we answer, since Mary was associated with her Son in acquiring grace for us, she will also share with him in distributing that grace to us. This fits well with the words of the Popes, who call her the administra of grace, meaning that she administers or dispenses it. So Pope Leo XIII, Iucunda semper, said:
“... when He [the Father] has been invoked with excellent prayers, our humble voice turns to Mary; in accordance with no other law than that law of conciliation and petition which was expressed as follows by St. Bernardine of Siena : ‘Every grace that is communicated to this world has a threefold course. For by excellent order, it is dispensed from God to Christ, from Christ to the Virgin, from the Virgin to us.’”
and this description,
“Her kingdom is as vast as that of her Son and God, since nothing is excluded from her dominion.”
Excerpted and adapted from Theology 523: Our Lady in Doctrine and Devotion, by Father William G. Most.
Copyright (c) 1994 William G. Most at www.ewtn.com/faith/teachings/marya4.htm
It's not at all just asking someone to pray FOR us, it's praying TO that person, a violation of both the spirit and command of Christ.
“The assaults of your fanatical anti-Catholic cabal that includes fringe Protestants, Muslims, communists, fascists, atheists, satanists and other evil doers who wish the demise of the Church are of no consequence.”
I agree. Twaddle has no weight.
They are blinded by who they are looking to....and it will remain so by their choice. The catholic church floods their memberships with litertaure, rites and various means of climbing up thier spiritual ladders to their idea of “enlightenment”...any who are not on their path are considered lost at worst or deceived at best...some simply falling away. They forget that it is in Christ all the fullness of God dwells and that in believers He has come and laid claim on our hearts, minds and souls...by invitation. He knocks...we answer...or we turn away to other doors.
Tell ya nares, If one does not know what the gospel is he is in no place to judge what is spew and what is the gospel of jesus Christ
"Wide is the way that leads to destruction and many who will go thereby"...
The world remains ripe for deception and many will go that path....believing what one day they will see was a lie all along. You can bank on that.
LOL, the queen of false definitions lectures.
Sorry sister, your credibility dropped to zero here. You claim to have been raised Catholic - but remain clueless. You claim to know what the word “Vicar” means, and have PROVEN here on this thread that you are either clueless or dishonest.
Either state renders your opinions a nullity in my view. Clueless is no better than dishonest in that regards.
And based on your claims, obfuscations and track record, you are clearly one or the other - clueless (even though you claim to have had a Catholic education) or dishonest. So do tell, which is it?
Sure - Our Lord and His Apostles have erected the Church to deceive us, for two thousand years. I don’t think so. Especially when His Holy Writ supports that 2,000 + year history. You and the very few who reject His Word while claiming His mantle are the deceivers. Very sad.
Does Abraham have others beside Lazarus in his bosom?
How much room does he have there?
The whole spiritual matter is pretty deep. But, if you prefer them to be literal figures, then notice that the communication is between two persons (Lazarus says nothing)that are not living the earthly life anymore. There’s no communication there of one on earth speaking to one in heaven or hell.
**Sidenote: I have attended many protestant funerals and at each and every one the preacher/minister says quite unequivocally that the deceased is in heaven, Praise be to God.**
Well, I don’t go there. I’ve been to more than a few funerals where I knew the deceased was about as uninterested in living for God as they come, yet the minister ‘preached them into heaven’.
**So which is it? Does the soul of the deceased reside in heaven with Jesus or does the soul merely exist in limbo awaiting the final day whereupon it will learn its eternal fate?**
All I know is that, in the scriptures, there’s a whole lotta sleepin go’in on in regards to those that have died.
I’ll leave the judging of souls to God (as if I had a say anyway. :D )
Just verifying for lurkers that Catholics do not know what the Gospel of jesus Christ is.. ...great example, thanks
Indeed. That's why Christ built a Church, even though He never wrote a book. He needed a Church here on earth to pass on the revealed Truths to His children, so He built a Church, gave it authority that is would never be overcome, and sent it His Holy Spirit to guide it to all Truth.
Sola scriptura is an anti-scriptural heresy; Scriture and Tradition together, in the context of a Church Christ built and to which He gave authority in Heaven and on earth, to lose and to bind, against which the gates of hell would never prevail, that is eminently scriptural.
And I'll take the Word of that Church over these sola scriptura heretics any day.
And that Church teaches the communion of the saints, as taught by Christ and handed down by the Apostles and His Church. I have complete confidence in this Truth, and no reason to doubt it. The attacks of these sola scriptura pundits just make my confidence that much stronger, because satan knows the right address; attacking the body of Christ, including the communion of saints, is an attack on Christ Himself.
ROTFLMAO! The Queen of Online Deception tries again - and gets another belly laugh!
Hey wanna another try at VICAR? Or are you sticking with the delusional false claim here on this thread you posted? Which is it sister? The made up falsehood you tried to pawn off as truth or the real meaning?
“The attacks of these sola scriptura pundits just make my confidence that much stronger, because satan knows the right address; attacking the body of Christ, including the communion of saints, is an attack on Christ Himself.”
And the Father of Lies uses LIES to do so, as we can see right here. Vicar. Snort.
Nice try..but the truth is evident, Catholics have no clue what the Gospel is ... every time one is asked the same game is played.. divert and mock..but NEVER articulate what it is... to their own damnation
The History of the claim to be Vicar of Christ
This outlandish assertion came relatively late in the history of the Papacy. To begin with, the Bishop of Rome claimed to be the vicar of Caesar and his successors the rightful heirs to the Caesars. The city that had been the seat of power for the Roman Empire became the city for the Bishop of Rome to exercise his authority. Gradually other Bishops and national monarchs accepted him as vicar and successor to Caesar with the same supreme title of “Pontifex Maximus”. Next the Bishops of Rome claimed to be “The vicar of the prince of the apostles”[7], that is, the vicar of Peter.[8] Thus in the early fifth century Bishop Innocent I (401-417AD) insisted that Christ had delegated supreme power to Peter and made him the Bishop of Rome. Following this he held that the Bishop of Rome as Peter’s successor was entitled to exercise Peter’s power and prerogatives. Boniface III, who became Bishop of Rome in 607, established himself as “Universal Bishop”, thus claiming to be vicar and master of all other bishops. It was not until the eighth century, however, that the particular title “Vicar of the Son of God”[9] was found in the fraudulent document called “The Donation of Constantine”.[10] Although this notorious document was proven false in the early sixteenth century, the Bishops of Rome have used the title “Vicar of Christ” since the eighth century. This title has been the Pope’s supreme claim to spiritual and temporal supremacy. The taste of divine power, with which the title resonates, has proven to be addictive. The “Vicar of Christ” is able to recognize no authority other than his own. He looks upon himself as Master of all, and boldly proclaims, “The First See is judged by no one.”[11]
The Counterfeit Vicar of Christ
Rome’s alleged office of Christ’s Vicar on earth is so all embracing and complicated that one man cannot exercise “supreme, full, immediate, and universal power”. Thus the single man who purports to be invested with the office needs a vast hierarchy to command. The pyramid of power that constitutes his office of the “Vicar of Christ” consists of cardinals, patriarchs, major archbishops, metropolitans, coadjutor archbishops, diocesan bishops, coadjutor bishops, episcopal vicar, eparches, apostolic vicars, apostolic prefects, apostolic administrators and vicars general.[12] And when the king pin to all this hierarchical structure dies, the running of the office continues but on a different basis. Under the present law of the Vatican, on the death of the Pope the administration passes to “the Chamberlain”, that is a Cardinal appointed by the Pope during his lifetime to act as Papal administrator after his death. Canon Law specifically forbids this Chamberlain from introducing any innovation in the running of the Church while the office of Pope is vacant (Canon 335).
The counterfeit nature of the Pope’s claim to be “the Vicar of Christ” is shown by his doctrine and deeds. The key role of the True Vicar of Christ is to glorify Christ, “He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.”[13] The sending of the Spirit was the glorifying of Christ. God the Father glorifies Christ Jesus in heaven, and the Spirit glorifies Him on earth. All the gifts and graces of the Holy Spirit are to glorify Christ. The Lord Jesus Christ promised the Apostles, “when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth.”[14] God’s truth is an indissoluble, balanced and harmonious whole. In the Bible we have “all truth”, in this the Holy Spirit truly glorifies Jesus Christ. In stark contrast, the Pope claims to possess “infallible teaching authority”. This neither glorifies Christ nor honors the Spirit of truth.[15] Also the Pope, as “the Vicar of Christ” teaches “rebirth” by baptism, which demeans the glory of Christ. [16]
By crucifixes, rosaries, and scapulars, the earthly Vicar purports to fortify men and women against the assaults of Satan. He also maintains that indulgences can shorten the sufferings of souls in purgatory. While presiding over substantially the richest financial institution in the world, he maintains and advocates vows of poverty. Even as thousands of souls are corrupted by unbridled filthiness, he defends the vows of celibacy for his priests. By autonomous proclamations he releases men and women from their marriage vows in self-declared annulments.[17] None of these deeds glorify Christ Jesus the Lord. The major enemy of Christ and His Gospel, however, is not materialism nor is it lust, but rather the spiritual pride and the apostasy of the very one who pretends to be His “Vicar”. The first lie of Satan, “ye shall be as gods”[18] reaches its full fruition in the Papal claim to be “Vicar of Christ”. By this the words of the Apostle Paul are literally fulfilled, “who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God…showing himself that he is God.”[19]
A Successor to the Earthly “Vicar of Christ”
When one Pope dies another one is elected. For the election of a Pope a part of the Vatican palace is walled off. Access to the conclave, where the election is held, is through a door locked from the inside by the Cardinal Chamberlain and from the outside by the Marshall of the conclave. There are some openings provided for the passage of food, guarded from within and without. All communication with the outside world is strictly forbidden under pain of loss of office and ipso facto excommunication. Presented to the world is a gathering of walled-in Cardinals dressed in scarlet with the given purpose of electing a new “Vicar of Christ”. The whole scene gives a picture of smoke and mirrors. White smoke from the burning of ballots is the traditional way of informing the world that a new Pope has been elected. It comes out of the Sistine Chapel at the Vatican. This is just part of the ostentatious spectacle of the Roman Church in the traditional election of a new Pope.
The man in the street Catholic may deviate from his church on such issues as contraception, extramarital sex, homosexuality, abortion, confession and the obligation to attend Sunday Mass, but as a Catholic, he shelters serenely in his belief that he has the “Holy Father”. Removing any lingering doubt the Vatican Web page states, “‘THE HOLY FATHER’ The Roman Pontiff, as the successor of Peter, is the perpetual and visible principle and foundation of unity of both the bishops and of the faithful.”[20] The Catholic is thus enslaved to a system by the assurance that he has “The Holy Father” and the “Vicar of Christ” in the person of his Pope. Both assertions are utter blasphemy before the One Holy Father in heaven and the One Vicar Christ, the Holy Spirit.
Richard Bennett
Catholics have no clue what the Gospel is
Catholics have no clue what the Gospel is
Catholics have no clue what the Gospel is
Catholics have no clue what the Gospel is
Catholics have no clue what the Gospel is
Catholics have no clue what the Gospel is
ROTFLMAO!
Just admit that you do not know it or tell us what it is.. You are the one that called the gospel preached as spew..now prove it
Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
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