Really? Where is that in the Torah? Book, chapter, and verse please.
Not all Jews were Pharisees but Paul had been trained as one, as had his father.
So? If a person who had a Calvinist father and had been trained in a Calvinist seminary went around preaching Arminianism, would you let him get away with continuing to call himsef a Calvinist? In a court of law, no less?
Paul was certainly a Jew . . .
That's not the issue. Was he or was he not still of the sect of the Pharisees, which meant keeping their traditions and falling within the parameters of their theology?
The rules against Jewish converts maintaining Mosaic customs did not come until many centuries later.
I agree. So why then did you ascribe them to the Apostles by claiming that they considered keeping kosher contrary to the Gospel?
The latter-day rules against Mosaic customs were established to guard against those who used baptism as a veneer, but did not really become followers of Jesus.
So, like I said, the Gentile adoptees came in and started beating up on those born in the house, saying they weren't "true" brothers unless they stopped living as Jews and started living as Gentiles. How is that different from the Judaizers putting rules into place making Gentile converts live as Jews "to guard against those who used baptism as a veneer, but did not really become followers of Jesus"?
You realize that you're agreeing with me, but just trying to put a positive spin on the sin of preaching another Gospel ("Jesus alone isn't enough for the salvation of Jews! You must also live as Gentiles to prove that you're saved!") right?
Don't blame me for the hard sayings and teachings of Christianity.
I'm not. I'm blaming you for distorting them.
Really, I'm not even blaming you. You're the product of the general ignorance of Judaism, first century or otherwise, in Christianity. However, since you like to go around proclaiming heresy, and since a person is judged acording to their own yardstick, I'm rightly giving you a hard time.
Jesus Himself had the most hard sayings of anybody.
Absolutely true. Here's one for you:
Do not think that I came to abolish the Law (read that "Torah") or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. (Mat. 5:17-19)Tell me, are you so careless of your place in the Kingdom that you are going to go around teaching others to annul (cease to follow) the least commandment of the Torah?
I'm not.
I don't mean legally. These Gentiles would not have been set up to butcher and prepare kosher food.
That's not the issue. Was he or was he not still of the sect of the Pharisees, which meant keeping their traditions and falling within the parameters of their theology?
1 Corinthians 9:19 "For whereas I was free as to all, I made myself the servant of all, that I might gain the more. 20 And I became to the Jews, a Jew, that I might gain the Jews: 21 To them that are under the law, as if I were under the law, (whereas myself was not under the law,) that I might gain them that were under the law. To them that were without the law, as if I were without the law, (whereas I was not without the law of God, but was in the law of Christ,) that I might gain them that were without the law."
why then did you ascribe them to the Apostles by claiming that they considered keeping kosher contrary to the Gospel?
The latter-day rules of the Church were based on the teachings of the Apostles.
So, like I said, the Gentile adoptees came in and started beating up on those born in the house, saying they weren't "true" brothers unless they stopped living as Jews and started living as Gentiles.
Apostolic successors were appointed by the original Apostles and guided by the Traditions of the Apostles and the Paraclete sent by Christ.
How is that different from the Judaizers putting rules into place making Gentile converts live as Jews "to guard against those who used baptism as a veneer, but did not really become followers of Jesus"?
The Judaizers received a thumbs down from the Apostles. How about the refugees from Goshen forced to adopt the Mosaic laws? God rules His people as He sees fit.
Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven;
Christ sent the Holy Spirit to inspire the Apostles to correctly teach the true meaning of the law.
Good one, Buggman.