Posted on 12/01/2010 1:09:40 PM PST by Colofornian
No, not at all. Jesus judges a perfect judgment and knows the hearts of all.
But THAT isn’t what you said.............
You most CLEARLY....said that Faith wasn’t enough.
I believe in the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. When I was baptized, those were the words spoken. (Full dunk.) I don’t know why that makes you folks so angry.
Name one error. Here’s another one:
The LDS church beliefs are found in the “Book of Mormon,” “The Pearl of Great Price,” and “Doctrine and Covenants.” The error is that the Holy Bible (KJV) is an official Scripture.
I have posted so many times that the LDS Articles of Faith contain our Church’s official position and doctrine. I dare not post the Articles of Faith because the anti Mormons trample them underfoot and turn around and spit on them.
The LDS Articles of Faith contain our beliefs, not what you have posted in this article.
I’m finished with this thread. It’s a hopeless waste of my time.
I love my Savior, Jesus Christ, who suffered and died to save me from my sins. Jesus Christ is the Head of my Church. Thanks to my Heavenly Father for His Plan of Salvation & Happiness and to the Holy Ghost for His power and guidance. Amen.
My comment/question was pretty clear, yet you dodged again.
The murdering, vengeful jesus from the bom, or the Biblical Jesus who came back as a comforter?
The dichotomy is clear and irreconcilable AFAIC.
When will you understand that I'm not anti-mormon...but I am anti-mormonism?
I think you belong to a cult, plain and simple. And I would love for you to see the Truth, Sandy.
You know...someone posted this today....it's good, you should watch it!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTtq62XQ4jw&feature=related
As Ronald Reagan said...."Facts are stubborn things."
“I believe that the Biblical Christ is the only means to salvation, but we must not think that we justified by our faith alone. We show our faith by our works (James 2:15)”
... Mormonism does not believe in the Biblical Christ who is presented as eternally God - neither created nor made. It teaches a created Christ. You may believe in the Biblical Christ. If so great! Now, come out from among them and be holy.
... We do not show our faith by our works. Our faith is shown/confirmed by our works.
“Since God wants us to live righteously (Titus 2:12), I don’t believe that Jesus will send someone to hell for sincerely trying to follow his teachings.”
... Jesus will judge you based on whether you accepted HIS Gospel of Grace - NOT because you lived righteously. There aren’t any good works or righteous living that will prevent you from going to hell, if you reject the ONLY provision ever made for sin/s. Trying hard will never be enough.
... In effect, He won’t be sending you to hell. YOU will get your wish - to be judged by your own righteousness, which will result in your going to hell, if that’s your choice.
“Indeed, those who hear the words of Jesus and do them are likened by Him to a wise man who builds a house upon the rock while those who hear His sayings and don’t do them are likened to a foolish man who builds a house upon the earth and whose dwellings are washed away when the storms come (Luke 6:47-49)”
... And you claim to have read the Bible (heard His words), yet you reject the central theme of the New Testament, based on your exact posts here on FR and pursue your own worthiness.
“By works a man is justified, and not by faith only, James explains.(James 2:24)”
When anyone, but especially a mormon, takes there ideas TO the Bible and finds words that support them, he makes conclusions that are not there. You have done the same, Normandy.
Please read the whole passage. Even if you backed up, you would read this...
“And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Now Abraham believed God and it was counted to him for righteousness,”36 and he was called God’s friend.37 2:24 You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.” 2:25
His work was believing God - the fulfillment of that belief was expressed through his obedience.
You have turned that principle upside down through selective cherry picking and eisogesis.
best,
ampu
Acts, Chapter 15: And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
Verse 8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
Verse 9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
Verse 10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
Verse 11 But we believe that through the grace of the LORD Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
Verse 12 Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them.
Verse 13-20 And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me: Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name. And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written, After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up: {Amos 9:11} That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things. {Amos 9:12 name Gen 4:26, 1st Kings 18:24, Psa 116:17, Joel 2:32, Zeph 3:9, John 1:12, 1st Cor 1:2 } Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world. Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
15:21 Then pleased it the apostles and elders with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas and Silas, chief men among the brethren:
You have been lied to norm, nor does James 2:24 endorse that lie
Ga 2:16* Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
The form of 'justification' used by James is related to being "vindicated" as am evidence of already BEING justified/declared righteous/saved.
Three gods - polytheism
Is this your Jesus SD?
"Jesus became a God and reached His great state of understanding through consistent effort and continuous obedience to all the Gospel truths and universal laws." (The Gospel Through The Ages, p. 51)
"Christ the Word, the First born, had of course attained unto the status of Godhood while yet in pre-existence." What the Mormons Think of Christ; LDS publication, p.3
“He is the First born of the Father. By obedience and devotion to the truth he attained that pinnacle of intelligence whiched ranked him as a God, as the Lord Omnipotent, while yet in his pre existent state.” Bruce. R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, pg 129
Well James indicates in James 2:14-17 that charitable acts or succoring the needy are necessary.
Jesus taught in Matthew 25:33-46 that the righteous who will go into life eternal are those who feed the hungry, clothing the naked, visiting the sick and imprisoned.
Those who do not those charitable acts are not found on His right hand.
Normandy,
I say this as gently as I possibly can and not as an insult...
You need to learn about Bible study. Not the LDS kind of reformatted lesson that tells you what to see based on seeing a word.
You need to understand context, themes, language, figures of speech, etc.
In each instance you have posted, you are seizing on a word or phrase without understanding WHY it says what it does. And what is actually being said in context.
In Matthew, pay attention to when in history this will occur, and the identity of the brothers that Christ refers to.
In both cases, the specific acts are a reflection of the presence of faith or lack of faith. Faith is always the issue.
best,
ampu
Speaking of Ronald Reagan, he called the Mormon Tabernacle Choir “America’s Choir” and even today, that’s what they are called: “America’s Choir” - Poor Reagan. He didn’t know that according to you all those wonderful Mormon singers were members of a cult.
Not only they but you also. That’s tought to hear, Saundra, but we aren’t spending all this time and emotional energy just to scratch your itching ears. The choir cannot save souls. Your adoration for their beautiful music isn’t helping any of the members to find the Savior of the Bible, not the fabricated savior of Joseph Smith’s fantasies.
Yeah, whatever, I’ll leave you guys to your religious wars. As if you haven’t strewn the world with enough corpses already.
Just because Reagan didn't realize...or maybe he didn't care...that mormonism is a cult...doesn't mean he was stupid.
Have you ever seriously studied the BOM vs. the Bible?
fwiw-
Necessary for what norm - read the whole passage carefully. 'charitable acts' are verification that the FAITH is authentic and living. They are not a condition for justification - just evidence of justification/salvation.
Jesus taught in Matthew 25:33-46 that the righteous who will go into life eternal are those who feed the hungry, clothing the naked, visiting the sick and imprisoned.
remarkably, none of which rank high in lds works doctrines. Jail ministries are virtually non-existant for example. But further examination of the passage is necessary. It is a gathering of NATIONS (ethnos) vs 32. This is a moment of time after the Tribulation and before the 1000 year reign. The works were not deliberate requirements as mormonism teaches norm, because they ask -
Mat 25:37 KJV - Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed [thee]? or thirsty, and gave [thee] drink?
Their acts were done as an extension of their FAITH, not as an attempt to earn favor. They were not aware that they were helping Jesus when they helped the least of His brethren, it shows that their motives were pure. It was a simple response of love from the heart.
Within that contrast the 'goats' are judged, their lack of faith did not source any charity. But once again, what is the ultimate source norm - faith and the change brought forth by that faith in the heart of the believer will show the faith to be true - through a changed life.
norm - we both know that mormonism teaches that works are a requirement to show worthiness for salvation in addition to 'faith'. The passages you cite show something quite different - that any works are an outgrowth from saving faith and that Paul demonstrates elsewhere, that works cannot qualify us for any kind of salvation as they negate grace.
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