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To: Godzilla; Normandy
We sustain the members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as “prophets seers and revelators”. So there are 15 right now who are ministering simultaneously. [Normandy]

NONE of whom have spoken as a Scripture-producing "prophet," right?

When's the last time one of your "apostles" or "First Presidency" counselors ever spoken as a "prophet" in having his words canonized as "Scripture?"

The church in Jerusalem as well as the one alledged to be in America had 12 apostles. [Godzilla]

So the Lds church has a "prophet" + 12 "apostles" and 2 "First President counselors." 15 total

During the supposed "American" rounds of Jesus in the Book of Mormon, the supposed "church of Jesus Christ" had Jesus + 23-24 "apostles" -- 24-25 after Saul converted to Paul -- and no "First President Counselors." 25-26 total

Who authorized the reduction, Normandy?

If the Lds church is supposed to be a "restoration" of the original church, who ordered those sustained to be permanently removed from the Middle East? Or South or Central America?

What's the "magical" number about "15" within a Quorum? Why not 16? Or 13?

Where is Jesus Christ on the hierarchy? Why has He been removed from His Hebrews 1:1-2 post?

Where's the apostle John? (Isn't He still alive, per the D&C?)

Who authorized him to be cut from the Mormon apostle list? When was that done? Did Mormonism's leaders have the supposed "authority" to do that?

Or is it that Joseph Smith lied? And that the apostle John's life has been transferred to heaven -- and he's no longer here?

28 posted on 11/30/2010 3:28:31 PM PST by Colofornian ("So how do LDS deal with the [Adam-God] phenomenon? WE DON'T; WE SIMPLY SET IT ASIDE" - BYU prof)
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To: Colofornian

We sustain all the Apostles (First Presidency and Quorum of the 12) as prophets, seers, and revelators, and we believe they can and do reveal the will of the Lord to the people of earth. Just because the things that they say are not included in our books of scripture, doesn’t mean they are not speaking the will of God.

The majority of the words of Christ and the early Apostles never made it into the Bible.

For the record there is no “magic number”. We have had presidents of the church who have had more than two counselors.

As for John the Revelator, I am sure he is still an Apostle, fulfilling a unique mission for God.


29 posted on 11/30/2010 3:42:03 PM PST by Normandy
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