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To: Vegasrugrat; chesley
But if you require that Mary had to be sinless to give birth to a sinless Son, then you would have to require the same of her mother, and her mother, etc.

No.

It was precisely the Divine nature of Jesus which demanded a sinless Virgin. His Divinity is all holy and the source of all holiness. This Divine holiness can not, by its very nature, be countenanced by sin.

Mary was not Divine. She was human. The Church teaches that "through the centuries the Church has become ever more aware that Mary, "full of grace" through God, was redeemed from the moment of her conception." Mary's humanity required that she too, be redeemed.

Incidentally, in light of what I've said here and up-thread, I think it's worth pointing out how the Catholic teaching on the Immaculate Conception of Mary, (contrary to what Protestants usually say) actually exalts the person of Jesus because it emphasizes His purity, holiness and Divinity. Contrast this with the Protestant idea that "any womb would do". Tsk tsk!

Ironic, no? In fretting about Mary's singular privilege and worrying that it may be taking something away from Jesus, you actually diminish Jesus by insisting that any "house of sin" or womb could have nurtured him for nine months.

93 posted on 11/30/2010 12:51:08 PM PST by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: marshmallow
Contrast this with the Protestant idea that "any womb would do". Tsk tsk!

As I pointed out earlier, the "any womb would do" approach collapses when you consider how exacting God's requirements were for the first two Arks.

95 posted on 11/30/2010 12:57:23 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: marshmallow
You define it so well. What sealed it for me was a miracle. After english word devotions I was praying in the spirit about this subject. Well out of nowhere without touching the computer a website came on my screen explaining the Immaculate Conception. That did it for me. I believe it 1000% percent now. I am not kidding!

God is good!

"Seek and you will find" = He will answer with faith!

We have a supernatural God!

Praise Jesus and as the angel and the Holy Spirit said in scripture Hail Mary! That is it for real! Period!

Amen! Amen! Amen!

101 posted on 11/30/2010 1:24:16 PM PST by johngrace (God so loved the world so he gave his only son! Praise Jesus and Hail Mary!)
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To: marshmallow
Mary was not Divine. She was human. The Church teaches that "through the centuries the Church has become ever more aware that Mary, "full of grace" through God, was redeemed from the moment of her conception." That sounds a little like Calvin.
141 posted on 11/30/2010 5:38:03 PM PST by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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