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To: kindred
Justification is the legal declaration by God upon the sinner where God declares the sinner righteous in His sight.

Not even worth reading after this point. We part ways entirely here. Matt Slick believes in a God who declares sinners righteous without actually making them anything of the sort. Catholics believe in a God whose very word brings reality into existence, who justifies sinners, infuses righteousness purchased at the Cross into their souls, and makes them his adopted sons and daughters through grace.

Which one will you choose? A God who declares something righteous which isn't (making him a liar!), and leaves the sinner a "snow-covered dungheap" (according to M. Luther) ... or a God who lifts up the lowly and seats him with princes (1 Sm 2:8), a God who shares his sonship with his people by becoming their eldest brother (Rom 8:29; 1 John 3:1), a God who makes, not merely declares, his people righteous (1 John 1:9) pouring out his love within their hearts (Rom 5:5), a God who makes his people participants in his very divinity (2 Pt 1:4) through his own Body and Blood in the Eucharist (1 Cor 11:23-30).

Your choice. As for me, I would never give up the true Gospel for the unbiblical legal fiction of Protestant imputed righteousness.

8 posted on 11/30/2010 5:57:20 AM PST by Campion
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To: Campion

Justified, made just in legal terms. If you break a law, frequently you can be justified in our legal system with the payment of a fine. Jesus paid our debt making us just in God’s eye.

I think you are speaking more to sanctification. Being set apart, being made more Christ like.


11 posted on 11/30/2010 6:06:56 AM PST by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: Campion

[Your choice. As for me, I would never give up the true Gospel..]

Yea, and neither will I. And there are so many Protestant denominations who are apostate also. This is the course of mankind left to his own inventions. Again, I believe the Scriptures are the Word of God and that many traditons of today are lies when scrutenized by the Word of God.
One of us is wrong, God knows.


23 posted on 11/30/2010 6:28:20 AM PST by kindred (Come, Lord Jesus, rule and reign over all thine enemies from Zion, the chosen nation.)
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To: Campion

“Matt Slick believes in a God who declares sinners righteous without actually making them anything of the sort. Catholics believe in a God whose very word brings reality into existence, who justifies sinners, infuses righteousness purchased at the Cross into their souls, and makes them his adopted sons and daughters through grace.”

You regularly take to task people who, in your estimation, misrepresent Catholic theology - but you are doing the very same thing here. You are misrepresenting the Evangelical theology of justification.

Life is too short to waste wrangling over misunderstandings. Wouldn’t you be better off if you had an accurate view of Evangelical theology against which you could argue?


31 posted on 11/30/2010 6:36:38 AM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Campion
Justification is the legal declaration by God upon the sinner where God declares the sinner righteous in His sight.

We part ways entirely here. Matt Slick believes in a God who declares sinners righteous without actually making them anything of the sort.

Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, [it is] evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

Gal 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

137 posted on 11/30/2010 4:53:52 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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