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To: dangerdoc
Justified, made just in legal terms.

Precisely. Made just, not merely declared just.

I think you are speaking more to sanctification.

They are ontologically one and the same thing. Both of them are the divine life of grace entering into our souls.

Luther wrongly decided they were different, so he could teach his false gospel of "salvation by faith alone".

18 posted on 11/30/2010 6:15:31 AM PST by Campion
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To: Campion
Luther wrongly decided they were different, so he could teach his false gospel of "salvation by faith alone declaration".

Fixed it.

25 posted on 11/30/2010 6:30:16 AM PST by papertyger
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To: Campion
“Luther wrongly decided they were different, so he could teach his false gospel of “salvation by faith alone”.

Tragically for Catholics like yourself ... God must have it wrong too! God doesn't state what the Catholic Church teaches.

Rom.3:28

[28] Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Rom.5:1

[1] Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

Christ must have had it wrong too since HIS teachings differ also from the Catholic Church. In this situation, you might be tempted to call Christ, the “liar”.

Luke 23:40-43

[40] But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?

[41] And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss. [42] And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.

[43] And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise. Did Jesus LIE? The thief didn't have time for your Sacrament of Baptism, Sacrament of Communion, Last Rites etc.. No! These are all useless man made rituals to keep you from a PERSONAL and DIRECT relationship with Christ.

It is all about the HEART! That deosn't mean that you don't have Communion or Baptism when you are OLDER and have the ABILITY to MAKE THAT INDIVIDUAL DECISION, but it DOES MEAN that WORKS, such as baptism and communion etc. won't SAVE YOU! BTW, an INFANT can't make that decision. It is ALWAYS a personal decision. It is YOUR HEART that is examined to see what your MOTIVATION is. I'd bet even you know "pew warmers" in your church. Pew warmers may appear pious and noble but like others in the Bible their HEART is far from HIM too.

Matt.15:8

[8] This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

Robotic actions and motions are NOT what He seeks. He seeks YOUR HEART, just as He saw the HEART of the thief on the cross next to Him and assured him, he would be in paradise with Him. Christ doesn't lie.

I will not argue with you. I will simply point out Biblically truth and ask you to prayfully consider becoming a Christian.

38 posted on 11/30/2010 6:51:31 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Campion

If justification and sanctification are the same thing, why do they have different definitions?


43 posted on 11/30/2010 7:02:48 AM PST by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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