Posted on 11/30/2010 5:36:59 AM PST by kindred
Who defined that the Book of Revelation...i.e., is the Word of God?
Or the letter of James, and the Letters of John for that matter?
Awaiting your definitive answer.
And amen. Being a bible believing Christian is the only hope we have and Christmas time is a wonderful time of year for us. The Lord bless all those who know Him in truth and in Spirit.
If justification and sanctification are the same thing, why do they have different definitions?
Works Salvation is a Doctrine of Demons and Canon is crystal clear that you are saved alone by the Gift of Grace. The Gospel message couldn't be more clear and more buttressed by dozens of other Scriptural passages. There is NOTHING you can do to win or curry favor for Salvation. Works are evidence of being Saved not the act of being saved, a distinction WITH a difference. You cannot live the perfect life, you cannot give enough of your self to earn it. See the fallacy and logical conundrum you put yourself in when you accept this heresy. You revert back to OT Judaism and keeping the Law and never being sure of your Salvation and enjoying the fruits and joy of being Saved. You walk around unsure, without peace and deluded. Can a gift be conditional? Does G*d work that way? does he give and then put conditions on that gift, of course not and I know you can see that logical contradiction. You have to examine WHY you want this evil doctrine to be true, why you want G*d to notice your good works, really think on that and be honest with yourself.
God even made it even more plain for some of you....
Ephesians 2:8-9 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
Are you sure? Because, the apostles including Paul the apostle to the gentiles believed exactly what the Scriptures say and so I believe also that the Word of God is the Scriptures and therefore any contradiction is misintrepation of Scripture. One of us is wrong for sure.
(Are you sure the people who taught you are Scripture believers?)
I’m pretty sure they all were, and they were Protestants for whom I have a lot of respect and love. Although I believe they misinterpreted Scripture in some respects, at least some of them did not make the mistake of proclaiming that anyone who did not agree with their interpretation didn’t believe in the Bible to begin with.
If the Scriptures are as authoritatve as you say, shouldn’t there be a divinely-inspsired table of contents somewhere that says what books are supposed to be in the Bible? Where did the BIble come from to begin with? Who decided what books are supposed to be in it? Particularly, as to the New Testament? You may argue that the NT has a lot of references to Scripture, and Jesus or Paul said this or that about the Scriptures, but they could have been referring only to the Jewish Scriptures since the NT itself didn’t exist yet. So where does the Bible say what books are supposed to be in it?
(Are you sure the people who taught you are Scripture believers?)
I’m pretty sure they all were, and they were Protestants for whom I have a lot of respect and love. Although I believe they misinterpreted Scripture in some respects, at least some of them did not make the mistake of proclaiming that anyone who did not agree with their interpretation didn’t believe in the Bible to begin with.
If the Scriptures are as authoritatve as you say, shouldn’t there be a divinely-inspsired table of contents somewhere that says what books are supposed to be in the Bible? Where did the BIble come from to begin with? Who decided what books are supposed to be in it? Particularly, as to the New Testament? You may argue that the NT has a lot of references to Scripture, and Jesus or Paul said this or that about the Scriptures, but they could have been referring only to the Jewish Scriptures since the NT itself didn’t exist yet. So where does the Bible say what books are supposed to be in it?
kindred: The time is getting short and bible believers are looking for the change (aka,translation,rapture) when the Lord Jesus Christ will descend from heaven in the air with a shout and the trump of God and the dead in Christ will rise first, then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up with them and so will we ever be with the Lord and Saviour, the blessed God Jesus Christ. If you do not go up, search the Scriptures and you may understand.
Ping for later
Picking up a Bible and thinking you can create your own religion with it alone is like reading Grays Anatomy and thinking you’re a doctor.
Logic is your friend.
Paul wrote the scriptures. No Christian interpreted his writings as you do until the 15th C.
Your response is a non-sequitur. Nobody is alleging contradictions.
You seem to be a bit confused about what is my interpretation of James 2:24. I pray that the Holy Spirit opens your eyes and heart to the Sacred Scriptures.
Are you a Catholic?
Why are you posting this?
There's plenty of Protestants who believe Christ's teaching wasn't meant for us. And plenty who think you were born saved or doomed.
"The Gospel for Protestants" is all over the place. "Preaching a different Gospel" is what happens when you leave the Church.
Why are you calling Catholics liars.
Good grief, Catholics gave you the Bible. (The uncorrupted one.)
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The Twelve Apostles of the Catholic Church: St. Peter [Catholic Caucus]
The Twelve Apostles of the Catholic Church: St. Andrew [Catholic Caucus]
The Twelve Apostles of the Catholic Church: St. John [Catholic Caucus]
The Twelve Apostles of the Catholic Church: St. James [Catholic Caucus]
The Twelve Apostles of the Catholic Church: St. Matthew [Catholic Caucus]
The Twelve Apostles of the Catholic Church: St. Simon [Catholic Caucus]
Because the truth does not meet their agenda.
I am always surprised at how ignorant so many “Bible only” Christians are of the Church fathers. Do you honestly think they were ignorant of Scripture? Do you think that infused rightousness is contrary to Scripture? I ask this because any one who studies Catholic teaching will find that it is indeed deep in Scriptural knowledge.
I don’t think there is one single Protestant understanding of what imputed justification entails. For example does it mean “once saved always saved?” So I don’t believe the poster meant to paint all Protestants with that brush.
Excellent post.
I have no hatred for Catholics, half of my relatives are Catholics. My father was a Catholic from birth to adulthood, he than converted to Lutheran (WELS). I believe it is out of love that one speaks the truth of the erroneous teachings of the Catholic church.
I am kind of surprised that not one Catholic has commented on your post, I am praying it is due to their contemplating the truths within it.
God Bless (Catholics included)
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