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To: restornu
Resty, you try that same ruse almost daily. It's time for you to read a few of the heretical teachings from your peepstone divination sexual-predator-of-married-woment conman prophet, Joseph Smith. When you read these direct quotes from LDS archive resources, see if these line up with what your ideao f Christinaity (restored or not) actually is:

In the beginning, the head of the Gods called a council of the Gods; and they came together and concocted a plan to create the world and people it. (Joseph Smith, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p. 5, 1844)

Smith's worldview of time as it pertains to the gods: Smith believed in a "beginning" that was operative before the Mormon plan to the create this world. The question becomes, who is the head of the Gods as pertains to this ‘council of gods?

In the very beginning the Bible shows there is a plurality of Gods beyond the power of refutation. It is a great subject I am dwelling on. The word Eloheim ought to be in the plural all the way through--Gods. The heads of the Gods appointed ONE God for us... (Joseph Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 372)

According to Smith's worldview, "the heads of the Gods appointed one God for us." Smith is making a BIG deal about Eloheim=plurality of gods. A Mormon apologist like the restornu doesn't know this? They don't teach this in Seminary or Institute or Sunday School classes? Why not? Or is it that this is not taught because it is too far in left field? Perhaps Mormonism is ‘evolving‘.

Whatever "time frame" or eternity is chosen, only ONE GOD was chosen by a plurality of gods. It doesn't say a plurality of gods was chosen by a plurality of gods. Therefore, no Mormon godhead existed when the council chose the Mormon one god! Apparently, the godhead of god the father, god the holy spirit, and god the jesus developed later .

The convolutions/confusions are rife in Mormonism. Despite the above teaching, LDS leader, Bruce McConkie, taught that lds worship 3 gods: "Three separate personages-Father, Son and holy Ghost- comprise the Godhead…these three are the only Gods we worship."(Mormon Doctrine 1966 ed. P.576-577).

I will go back to the beginning, before the world was, to show what kind of a being God is. What sort of a being was God in the beginning? Open your ears and hear, all ye ends of the earth; for I am going to prove it to you by the Bible, and to tell you the designs of God in relation to the human race, and why he interferes with the affairs of man. God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted Man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens. That is the great secret. (Joseph Smith, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p. 3, 1844)

Whatever is taken by Smith as the ’beginning’, the Alpha point, Smith says god was a man ... and Smith's meaning for 'eternities' must be different from the rest of humankind since eternity has no beginning or end. Smith's notion of the Momron god is "That he "was once as we are now." We already know from the above quote that the godhead came even after the Mormon god was appointed. The Mormon god was no godhead in the beginning Smith portrays, yet John’s Gospel starts with the Word, Jesus, was with God and was God in the beginning.

“I learned a testimony concerning Abraham, and he reasoned concerning the Gods of heaven. '...Intelligences exist one above another, so that there is no end to them.' If Abraham reasoned thus--If Jesus Christ was the Son of God, and John discovered that God the Father of Jesus Christ had a Father, you may suppose that He had a Father also. Where was there ever a son without a father? And where was there ever a father without first being a son? Whenever did a tree or anything spring into existence without a progenitor? And everything comes in this way. Paul says that which is earthly is in the likeness of that which is heavenly. Hence if Jesus had a Father, can we not believe that He had a Father also? I despise the idea of being scared to death at such a doctrine, for the Bible is full of it. I want you to pay particular attention to what I am saying. Jesus said that the Father wrought precisely in the same way as His Father had done before Him. As the Father had done before? He laid down His life, and took it up the same as His Father had done before. (Joseph Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 373)

Resty, how much of that rot is fundamental belief for a devout Mormon? Is Mormonism a from of Christianity when the god of Momronism is not the I AM of the Bible, when the god of Mormonism was once a man, when the jesus of Mormonism was sired as the brother of satan and gained the attributes of godhood rather than being with God and Was God in the Beginning? Read the first few verses of John's Gospel, the eyewitness testimony of one who walked and ate with The Christ and wants you to know GOD IS and His name is I AM, and He became flesh and dwelt among us.

71 posted on 12/01/2010 2:31:40 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN

sorry but I have not read much sweet fruit from any of antis in years!

It really feels like being swram by curmudgeons, a flock of unrepentants..

The Lord said “Come follow Me!”

One cannot follow if they are always trying to malign their brother.

Pray for the heart of the Lord!

Love One Another...


89 posted on 12/01/2010 3:26:51 PM PST by restornu (Do unto others as you would have them do unto you!)
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