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To: HarleyD

I would distinguish between evil events and evil desires. “Evil” events - painful ones, often caused by the sin of another - are often a part of God’s sovereign will. There was nothing pleasant for Israel about being invaded, but God brought it about. When my Dad died when I was 14, it wasn’t pleasant, but as I look back 40 years later, I know it fit God’s timing.

The evil within us is the result of the Fall, and God accepted it would happen as part of his will, but he doesn’t put the evil desires within us. When I was told that God makes me sin, it conflicts with Paul:

” 1What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? 2By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?”

That man has a sinful nature should be painfully obvious to all, but that doesn’t mean every choice man makes is sin. A non-christian woman who loves her child isn’t sinning in her love, and a man who gives to the poor may be doing so from good motives, even as a non-christian. Yet the idea that man can be good enough to win God’s approval is ridiculous. One only needs to look around, or examine one’s own life, to realize there is ample evil to justify damnation.

Ancient man was smarter than modern man. Ancient man KNEW he deserved God’s wrath. Modern man, as CS Lewis noted in ‘God in the Dock’, wants to decide if God is good enough for us. And we deserve damnation for that conceit...


23 posted on 11/27/2010 1:25:58 PM PST by Mr Rogers (Poor history is better than good fiction, and anything with lots of horses is better still)
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To: Mr Rogers
That man has a sinful nature should be painfully obvious to all, but that doesn’t mean every choice man makes is sin.

The chief aim of man is to glorify God; to love Him with all our hearts, souls and minds. Every choice that we do should be related to this chief aim, just as every thing that Christ did was to glorify the Father. Anything outside of this chief aim does not bring glory to God and is sin.

If this sounds self serving of God, then we must remember that God is perfect love, joy, peace, etc. Quite frankly, what's not to love and serve? The reason we quibble internally with this chief aim and fail to do it is due to our sin nature which rebels against it. We don't like the idea of perfect love, perfect joy, etc.

24 posted on 11/27/2010 1:47:18 PM PST by HarleyD
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