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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Twisting Scripture all out of whack is not very admirable.

Knowledge has not ceased and will not until He who IS COMPLETENESS comes again.

Ditto the rest.

Scripture indicates that Prophecy will be increasing in the END TIMES. Sons and daughters will prophecy and old men will dream prophetic dreams.

Holy Spirit IS NOT CHILDISH and I doubt He feels flattered by your incinuations and implications.

Holy Spirit is into profound manifestations of God's Magesty, Glory, healing power, miracle working power etc. all to bring God Glory.

That's FAR from CHILDISH!

208 posted on 11/24/2010 9:00:04 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix; Cronos; 1000 silverlings
***Twisting Scripture all out of whack is not very admirable.
Knowledge has not ceased and will not until He who IS COMPLETENESS comes again.***

ONCE MORE INTO THE BREACH! on this wet dreary day. But we need the rain!

Last night I picked up my copy of the GENEVA BIBLE. It uses the term “foreign” tongues and the running commentary says these were languages spoken by foreigners who needed a translator.
Think of a person speaking to the Greek audience in Hebrew or Aramaic might as well speak to the air as no one could understand a word he said. Strongs 1100 says it can mean learned language or speaking a language unaquired.

Where Paul mentioned speaking in the language of men and Angels Geneva says that LOVE was the theme and Paul was reinterating that languages without love were useless, even if it were an Angelic language. It is not as if he really spoke in angelic tongues (The Geneva translator's comment, not mine.)

Now back to the KJV.
As for Paul's word “When that which is perfect is come...” has nothing to do with Christ but has a meaning of the believer moving onward toward Christian MATURITY (See Strong's 5046), growth in mental and moral character, full of age. This is why this whole passage has references to growing up and leaving childish things behind.

What other things could it mean?
Some see the organized formation of the church as that which was working toward organization or completeness, others see the Scriptures which were not all written at that time for our instruction. When those things came to completeness then there was no need for partial things.

The same theme is repeated when Paul writes to the Galatians where the LAW was our schoolmaster to lead us to Christ, but now that we are there we no longer need a schoolmaster.

As for the early Methodists and Quakers, a better explanation than “tongues” would be what happened when Jonathan Edwards delivered his message, SINNERS IN THE HANDS OF AN ANGRY GOD, in calm easy to understand language to his congregation. No raving, speaking in gibberish, no wild eyed working up the audience, no foaming at the mouth.

The people were convicted of their sins! They knelt in the floor begging God for forgiveness! They quaked in fear of God's retribution! They did not start speaking in “tongues”.

Those old Methodist Brush Arbors shook not with people “in the spirit”, but people trembling and shaking because of their sins.

Must go for a while. Got to peel Potato(e)s.

248 posted on 11/25/2010 8:14:49 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I visited GEN TOMMY FRANKS Military Museum in HOBART, OKLAHOMA! Well worth it!)
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