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To: Cronos
"Pentecostalism teaches that these miraculous gifts, these charismata, are still available to Christians today."

All the gifts? When was the last time a Christian raised someone from the dead like Paul and Peter did?

19 posted on 11/23/2010 6:37:25 AM PST by circlecity
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To: circlecity

The more spectacular gifts usually appear on the cutting edge of the Kingdom, the pointy end of the stick, the mission field. The default setting for most of us, the norm, is routine daily faithfulness that compounds over the decades into results we could never have imagined.

The old pentecostal preachers had a handy aphorism: signs must follow believers. When believers follow signs, things are out of order. c.f. the Todd Bentley dog and pony show, and various counterfeit “revivals” that do not lead to an increase in home schooling.


21 posted on 11/23/2010 6:42:00 AM PST by RJR_fan (The press corpse is going through the final stages of Hopium withdrawal. That leg tingle is urine.)
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To: circlecity

I forget the guy’s name . . . there’s a head Pastor in Northern Mexico

who will NOT EVEN CONSIDER a candidate for Pastor’s training unless the fellow ALREADY has a certain number of verified resurrections under his belt from his layman’s ministry.

China experiences a fair amount of resurrections as well.

One woman laid her hubby out beside the main road and preached beside his body for 3 days before he was brought back to life.

They also happen even in America.

However, we haven’t seen ‘nothin’ yet. Scripture is clear that in the END TIMES there will be large numbers of resurrections—even from the grave.


23 posted on 11/23/2010 6:47:28 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: circlecity; Cronos; RJR_fan; Quix
When was the last time a Christian raised someone from the dead like Paul and Peter did?

A couple of decent examples are St John Bosco (1815-1888) and St Vincent Ferrer (1350 – 1419), though, as the book above alludes, there have been many, many examples throughout time.

41 posted on 11/23/2010 8:25:51 AM PST by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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