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To: bibletruth

Both Calvinists and Armenians use the scripture to prove their positions and have good points. Personally, I think they are both true, it is our small minds that say it is one or the other. Maybe that’s the easy way out.


5 posted on 11/21/2010 8:03:00 PM PST by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: PeterPrinciple
Well said.

The Bible teaches both.

It is the blind who refuse to see there is more than just one side of the ages old predestination/ free will argument.

Proverbs 3:5-9

7 posted on 11/21/2010 8:11:10 PM PST by John 3_19-21 (The Tea Party will be heard Mr. Speaker!)
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To: PeterPrinciple
If you personally think that both Calvinists and Armenians are true - I would respectfully say that two opposites cannot be currently true, that would be impossible.

Only Calvinists' scriptures prove their positions. Armenians distort scriptures to prove their position, which is not Biblical. I have many Calvin and Calvinist books with solid scripture proof for TULIP; and their writing destroy's the Armenians' distortion of scriptures.

8 posted on 11/21/2010 8:11:10 PM PST by bibletruth
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To: PeterPrinciple

I’m an Arminian, but I actually believe some truth is beyond our understanding, which is why God gave us scripture and not a systematic theology text.


12 posted on 11/21/2010 8:17:26 PM PST by Mr Rogers (Poor history is better than good fiction, and anything with lots of horses is better still)
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To: PeterPrinciple
Both Calvinists and Armenians use the scripture to prove their positions and have good points.

Arminians (Armenians are citizens of the Armenia), do not have Scripture to back their claims, those claims are gratuitously asserted, poorly supported and their opposition to the Doctrines of Grace are greatly demagogued.

Personally, I think they are both true

That might be a fashionable sentiment scoring Diversity and Tolerance points with your friends, but it is not possible for mutually exclusive ideas to co-exist in the same place and context. Its kind of like straddling the fence on the Crevo arguments by claiming to be be an "Evolutionary Creationist". You can't bridge antithetical ideas without appearing clueless and devoid of sense to everyone.

it is our small minds that say it is one or the other. Maybe that’s the easy way out

And insulting two thousand years of devout theologians and the true Saints of God by claiming that they all have "small minds" while you stand above us all because you have a "big mind" for allegedly "thinking both are true".

I submit that the Bible is a closed book to you and you understand neither monergistic or synergistic descriptions of soteriology.

24 posted on 11/21/2010 8:30:26 PM PST by The Theophilus
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To: PeterPrinciple

Yes they are both true. That is one of the beautiful
things about Scripture, that we can hear and see with our heart which leads to understanding through the Holy Spirit.


40 posted on 11/21/2010 9:08:29 PM PST by Ramonne
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