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To: CynicalBear
Judaism does teach that the promises are not for the Gentiles but Haggee and others do not agree with that and say so.

John Hagee denied that Jesus came as Messiah to the Jews in his book, In Defense of Israel. I was amazed when I first heard Hagee's denial on youtube. I could not find that same video but this link shows the same footage along with part of The Passion of the Christ movie. The first part of the clip has Hagee, in his own words, denying the Messiahship of Christ.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aYYnNE69H0

25 posted on 11/07/2010 1:03:28 PM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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To: mas cerveza por favor
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LOL You had me going for a few minutes on that one. Hearing that message had me doubting myself and what I have heard him say. Here is what he said about that.

“I chose to use challenging language that I hoped would confront the body of Christ to consider events from the Jewish and historical perspective and therefore develop greater empathy for our Jewish friends.

“Over the centuries, Christians have been quick to condemn the Jews for failing to recognize Jesus as Messiah. This approach led to replacement theology and the viewpoint of some that God has rejected and broken covenant with the Jewish people. These ideas, in turn, opened the door to a vicious Christian anti-Semitism that led to the Crusades, the Inquisition and countless pogroms.

Jesus came the first time as the suffering Messiah, as exemplified by His persecution, rejection and crucifixion. Jesus will come back as the reigning Messiah, who will rule the world from His throne in Jerusalem as King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

The primary change will involve how I use the word “Messiah.” In the expanded version, I will clarify the clear distinction between the “Suffering Messiah,” the Lamb of God and the “Reigning Messiah,” the Lion of the Tribe of Judah!

I also hope that we can return our focus to what I had anticipated to highlight all along, the fact that we Christians must shift from condemning the Jews for what they missed to thanking them for what they gave.” John Hagee

27 posted on 11/07/2010 1:30:05 PM PST by CynicalBear
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