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[MHGinTN] It is a lie to say that the predominance of the New Testament is other than justification by faith. Once faith arises, faith in His Deliverance, then works will follow as they are authored by His Spirit in you.

[Stourme] I bow to your elite strawman skills. Creating a false argument around points we were not discussing then attacking those points.... whew.

[MHGinTN] BTW, Stourme, there is a way to understand this passage in James as not contradictory to the rest of the scriptures. Would you like to read it? ... Here goes:

No! I don't need any gobble-d-gook. I don't need any spin cycle wacked out drawn out ratonalizations....

James 2:14 - 17
14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

The context is clear and plain... it doesn't need to be translated into hebrew, greek, latin or klingon

Faith without works is dead. What works? Verse 15 & 16. Feeding the hungry and clothing the naked. Period.
With out doing those works, you have no faith, and without faith you cannot be saved.

---> Now, will you admit that with out feeding the hungry and clothing the naked you cannot be saved? <----

All I'm asking you to do is just say that James was correct.

I don’t know MHG, you and the bible have already made it very clear stourme’s assertions are out of wack. He’s not hitting too well, since he won’t admit to getting on the WRONG bandwagon regarding Romans 5:6-8, right AMPU.

Interesting, considering that lds inc. has invested billions in a mall in slc, while the poor and hungry in places like Haiti have only received pittance.

Consider also how the ‘restored’ apostles and prophet are treated in context with james 2:2* For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment;
3* And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool:

Poor mormons like stourme - they are weighted down by their laws and ordinances in order to become ‘acceptable’. They further fail to recognize James 2:10* For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

So I guess if stourme wants to make feeding and clothing the poor a requirement for salvation, how many of the poor has he PERSONALLY fed and clothed? Has he personally fed and clothed enough to be righteous? If not, then he has failed to keep the whole law and is guilty of violating ALL of the law.

And James add more condemnation - for he commends the poor as being recipients of faith and the kingdom. Yet, how many of these poor actually get a temple recommend? And if were were to take the logic laid out here by stourme to its conclusion - why haven’t mormons renounced their wealth and become materially poor to be blessed with faith and to inherit the kingdom? The crickets are getting mighty loud.

By his own words in this thread, mormons like stourme are bound to perfectly keep all of the law - with the slightest failure resulting in having to start all over. They are not renouncing material wealth to become poor to inherit the kingdom. Nor are they love their neighbors as themselves - they keep them outside of their temples and deny them.

Yet in conclusion - James come out and emphasizes that we will be “judged by the law of liberty.” (Jas 2:12) and delivered from the curse of the law by the mercy of God. Thus as Paul states in Rom 5:6-8, Jesus saved us while we were yet ungodly.

mormons like stourme rather obfuscate than meet this head on.