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To: annalex; boatbums; The Theophilus; metmom; Dr. Eckleburg
If you wish to defend pious lies as "truth"

There is no "lie". The word "pseudo" is an indication that the "Apostolic" in the title needs to be understood "In the spirit of the Apostles", just like recent "Apostolic constitution" is to be understood, and just like quite ancient "Apostolic Creed" is to be understood. In either case there is no attempt to pretend the "apostolic" document is written by the apostles, and so no fraud and no lie.

Rubbish! The so-called Apostolic Constirutions were a collection of documents written in the 4th century which were purported to be written by the Apostles. They were obviously a lie, a forgery, pseudo, false, whatever you want to call it but please don't insult me by pretending "In either case there is no attempt to pretend the "apostolic" document is written by the apostles, and so no fraud and no lie.".

Are you playing a game by saying "there is no attempt..."? By quoting from the "Apostolic Constitutions" you are perpetuating a lie. It's about time to begin playing it straight.

Will your next defense be for the Pseudo–Isidorian Decretals and claim they must be understood in the spirit of....whatever?

Looking for lies? Look no further than the evil products of the so-called reformation, starting with the two idiotic solas, sola fide and sola scriptura. To pretend that they exist in the gospel would really constitute a lie.

Very poor attempt at deflection. I'll not bite.

Well, of note here is that those canons that are binding can be referred to as canon law even though the current Canon Law was codified (on the basis of pre-existing laws) not that long ago. Second, it is the practice of the Church to promulgate canons when a controversy exists, and otherwise stick to already established custom. So, episcopal sovereignty does not start when a canon is promulgated, but rather if there is a canon about it then it is a reflection of the earlier custom. And so a letter from one bishop to another urging a bishop to reinstate some priests he defrocked would be ordinarily a violation of episcopal sovereignty and not possible as a "pastoral letter" as you claimed. It is therefore, an evidence of papal authority exercised by Pope St. Clement.

The above is meaningless doubletalk and a pitiful display of lack of understanding.

I have no further interest in wasting my time with one who uses many words to say nothing of value.

7,308 posted on 03/06/2011 10:02:22 AM PST by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: OLD REGGIE
The above is meaningless doubletalk and a pitiful display of lack of understanding.

They end up arguing nonsense. They can't keep a thought straight or argue a point to any conclusion. They deflect, dissemble and ignore.

Funny thing is, all they have to do is open their Bible and read it, praying always for the Holy Spirit to guide them.

That they don't condemns them.

7,309 posted on 03/06/2011 12:54:21 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: OLD REGGIE; boatbums; The Theophilus; metmom; Dr. Eckleburg
collection of documents written in the 4th century which were purported to be written by the Apostles

Not any more than a recent Apostolic Constitution, or Apostle's Creed are purported to be written by the Apostles. We are apostolic church. Everything we do is apostolic.

meaningless doubletalk

Canons are canons. The Church had them since the decisions of the Jerusalem Council (Acts 15) were promulgated. If you have any questions, please ask them, and there is no need to get cross with me.

7,310 posted on 03/06/2011 5:21:21 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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