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To: metmom
Annalex: Were there a verse that said, in context "Man is saved by faith alone, and not by anything he does, not out of legal obligation, nor out of love of God, nor out of love of neighbor"

Metmom: [quotes Eph 2:1-10, emphasizes verse 8] It doesn't say *works of the Law*, it just says works, period

Yes, Eph. 2:8 does refer to all kinds of work, but is says that grace is not the result of works of any kind, and every Catholic knows that. The dispute is whether salvation is a result of works of love alongside the faith, and the verse does not speak to that. It is a good idea to understand that nature of the argument before contributing to it.

7,156 posted on 02/05/2011 8:06:00 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex; metmom
Yes, Eph. 2:8 does refer to all kinds of work, but is says that grace is not the result of works of any kind, and every Catholic knows that. The dispute is whether salvation is a result of works of love alongside the faith, and the verse does not speak to that. It is a good idea to understand that nature of the argument before contributing to it.

I think it is rather you who has not understood the nature of the argument. The dispute, you say, is whether salvation is a result of "works of love alongside the faith" and the verse clearly indicates that we are saved by grace THROUGH faith not by works. You conclude because it doesn't describe what those works are you can then assume it excludes your "works of love". Yet there are other verses such as Titus 3:5 that say, "Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us". So unless you now want to count any "work of righteousness" out of your imaginary category of "works of love", then you are creating your own doctrine contrary to Scripture.

7,162 posted on 02/05/2011 11:16:12 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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