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To: kosta50; Alamo-Girl; Amityschild; AngieGal; AnimalLover; Ann de IL; aposiopetic; aragorn; auggy; ...
Protestants [including me], have prostrated themselves in worship, with their faces to the floor . . . routinely in churches I've been in, virtually all my 64 years. The Chinese term is kowtow ("kuh tow").

It would appear, Kosta, that your awareness & convictions about such practices is as flawed as your awareness and convictions about God, His Ways and His Word generally, these days.

Further, It's highly likely that the Old Testament outstretched arms, lifting 'holy' hands up to God was the same as in Pentecostal circles.

1. Pentecostals do it both ways.

2. Old Testament Jews likely did it both ways.

3. The outstretched arms way is obeying Scripture in Christ's own words about coming to God as little children. Perhaps you've seen a 2 year old with outstretched arms reaching for Daddy to pick her up.

4. There are times when "assuming the position" [i.e. "the position" of waiting expectantly receptively on The Lord--with hands held palms open and up--held half-way up at slightly above or at waist level] a la your Jewish pic, suddenly becomes inadequate. One's worship rising up within, Holy Spirit rising up within--compels one, urges one, fosters one, leads one, to stretch as far as possible TOWARD DADDY GOD.

5. I'd have thought that someone purportedly as versed in the Old Testament as you, would have recalled the WAVE OFFERING of the Old Testament. One doesn't do a "WAVE OFFERING" with arms held half way. GOD is virtually NEVER THAT interested in HALF-WAY WORSHIP. WAVE OFFERINGS by their very NATURE are with OUT-STRETCHED ARMS.

1.Exodus 29:24
And thou shalt put all in the hands of Aaron, and in the hands of his sons; and shalt wave them for a wave offering before the LORD.

2.Exodus 29:26
And thou shalt take the breast of the ram of Aaron's consecration, and wave it for a wave offering before the LORD: and it shall be thy part.

3.Exodus 29:27
And thou shalt sanctify the breast of the wave offering, and the shoulder of the heave offering, which is waved, and which is heaved up, of the ram of the consecration, even of that which is for Aaron, and of that which is for his sons:

4.Leviticus 7:30
His own hands shall bring the offerings of the LORD made by fire, the fat with the breast, it shall he bring, that the breast may be waved for a wave offering before the LORD.

5.Leviticus 8:27
And he put all upon Aaron's hands, and upon his sons' hands, and waved them for a wave offering before the LORD.

6.Leviticus 8:29
And Moses took the breast, and waved it for a wave offering before the LORD: for of the ram of consecration it was Moses' part; as the LORD commanded Moses.

7.Leviticus 9:21
And the breasts and the right shoulder Aaron waved for a wave offering before the LORD; as Moses commanded.

8.Leviticus 10:15
The heave shoulder and the wave breast shall they bring with the offerings made by fire of the fat, to wave it for a wave offering before the LORD; and it shall be thine, and thy sons' with thee, by a statute for ever; as the LORD hath commanded.

9.Leviticus 14:12
And the priest shall take one he lamb, and offer him for a trespass offering, and the log of oil, and wave them for a wave offering before the LORD:

10.Leviticus 14:24
And the priest shall take the lamb of the trespass offering, and the log of oil, and the priest shall wave them for a wave offering before the LORD:

11.Leviticus 23:15
And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:

12.Leviticus 23:20
And the priest shall wave them with the bread of the firstfruits for a wave offering before the LORD, with the two lambs: they shall be holy to the LORD for the priest.

13.Numbers 6:20
And the priest shall wave them for a wave offering before the LORD: this is holy for the priest, with the wave breast and heave shoulder: and after that the Nazarite may drink wine.

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6. However, Proddys likely welcome your being your habitual contrarianly wrong most any time, about Scripture and authentic Christianity. It's become a sad to an occasionally amusing FR !!!!TRADITION!!!!

7. Worshippers of The Living God in congregations not given to such practices are missing out on a very Biblical Blessing in their avoidance of a very Biblical practice. Avoidant, passive !!!!TRADITIONS!!!! of man are no more Christian and admirable or Godly than active !!!!TRADITIONS!!!! of man.

8. Both sacrifice a deree of, a measure of, obedience and of a Blessing strictly because of giving social pressure and what other humans think of one's actions, priority over God. I can't find a single Biblical example of God EVER being PLEASED with such an upside-down priority, practice.

6,414 posted on 01/02/2011 5:41:58 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix; Alamo-Girl; Amityschild; AngieGal; AnimalLover; Ann de IL; aposiopetic; aragorn; auggy
Protestants [including me], have prostrated themselves in worship, with their faces to the floor

Which Protestants? The Church of One?

Further, It's highly likely that the Old Testament outstretched arms, lifting 'holy' hands up to God was the same as in Pentecostal circles

Highly likely?

Old Testament Jews likely did it both ways.

I don't think so.

The outstretched arms way is obeying Scripture in Christ's own words about coming to God as little children. Perhaps you've seen a 2 year old with outstretched arms reaching for Daddy to pick her up

Oy vey!

One's worship rising up within, Holy Spirit rising up within--compels one, urges one, fosters one, leads one, to stretch as far as possible TOWARD DADDY GOD.

Reaching out "as far as possible" towards God? I thought God is everywhere. You don't really think God is "up there" looking "down" at you?

I'd have thought that someone purportedly as versed in the Old Testament as you, would have recalled the WAVE OFFERING of the Old Testament

I remember reading about it way back when. My understanding it that it was something done by the Temple priests (only), with body parts of sacrificed animals. It was a very specific priestly ritual, not something done by crowds waving wildly in the air.

However, Proddys likely welcome your being your habitual contrarianly wrong most any time, about Scripture and authentic Christianity

"authentic Christianity" established with such irrefutable "arguments" as "very likely" and misplaced snippets from the Old Testament? I guess I am a failure as a "Proddy," and find it strange when people wave their arms in the air like a bunch of crazed-out pagans trying to reach [sic] "as close as possible" to an omnipresent God!

One doesn't do a "WAVE OFFERING" with arms held half way.

One doesn't. You have to be a Temple priest to do the wave-offering, and then then he better have a bloody body part in his hands. :) (It is an offering after all! Empty hands are good for naught, LOL.) But since there is no Temple, even that is not an option any more, Q.

So, do some Proddys think they are Jews?

Worshippers of The Living God in congregations not given to such practices are missing out on a very Biblical Blessing in their avoidance of a very Biblical practice.

No Christians, to the best of my knowledge, not even the Pentecostals, wave slaughtered animal body parts in their hands trying to reach as close as possible to God, Q. What they do is a tradition of men that has nothing in common with the Jewish practice.

6,437 posted on 01/02/2011 10:02:40 AM PST by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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