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To: metmom; annalex
Excellant post! Powerful Scriptures!

Noting over and over and over...."One time"...

"once" been cleansed .......

sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ "once" for all......

Christ had offered for all time a "single sacrifice" for sins.......

by a "single offering" he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified....

"Where there is forgiveness of these, ".....there is no longer any offering for sin."

6,310 posted on 12/31/2010 6:25:12 PM PST by caww
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To: caww; metmom

“Once” doesn’t seem to be such a complicated word. Are you sure it doesn’t mean on the installment basis? Or “Once today, once tomorrow...once here, once there...” and so forth?


6,316 posted on 12/31/2010 7:16:03 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: caww

And God provided the way for believers to boldly enter into the holy of holies by the blood of Jesus (Heb. 10:19) so that they may commune with Him (not Mary. etc.). May we use this privilege more to worship and pray to Him.

But as for the blood, it will be pointed out by some that sins could be forgiven without shedding of blood, (Lv. 5:11-13) and indeed Jesus forgave sins before He made atonement. (Mt. 2:5) But it is understood that such was done under the rubric of the day of atonement, in which both a scapegoat and blood sacrifice was offered, this being commanded, “this shall be an everlasting statute unto you, to make an atonement for the children of Israel for all their sins once a year.” (Lv. 16:34)

It is also pointed out that shedding of blood was for sins done in ignorance,which would seem to include being deceived, and without intent to sin, while those who sinned presumptuously, knowingly, willfully by commission or omission, such as Ex. 21:14; Num. 9:13; Dt.17:12; 29:19,20; Josh. 7:21-25, had no atonement, but had to bear their iniquity. (Num. 15:27-31)

This meant facing the consequences, and they were to be utterly (key word) cut off, evidently usually by death, such as the man who blatantly rejected the command to rest on the 7th day sabbath and gathered firewood, and was stoned. (Num. 15:32-35)

Yet terms such as “ignorantly” and “presumptuously” require more, understanding, and we have instances in which enlightened souls who perhaps did knowingly sin (2Sam. 12:13; 1Ki. 21:25-29; Ezra 10) were convicted in heart and able to repent and find mercy, though there were consequences, and in Ezra 10 their conscience appears to have been dulled, and there needs to be judgment in all this.

All this corresponds to the N.T., in which souls are treated as deceived and ignorant before their conversion, (Titus 3:3) and thus the blasphemer and injurious persecutor Saul obtained mercy, because he did it “ignorantly in unbelief.” (1Tim. 1:13) 14)

But judgment is according to light, (Lk. 16:48), and so believers are the most accountable, and like as those who would not keep the Passover were cut off, in Hebrews 10:25-39 (cf. Gal. 5:1-4) we are warned that those converts who forsake the (persecuted) Christian fellowship, and go on in impenitent willful sin (including going back into their former faith) have effectively denied and despised the faith, and will be treated as adversaries, for “the Lord shall judge his people.”

Ananias and Sapphira are two examples of such accountable souls willfully, knowingly sinning, while Simon, who “believed and was baptized,” is implicitly warned of the like in Acts 8:13,18-24 - and gets the message. And John warns about a” sin unto death,” (1Jn. 5:16) of which he says “I do not say that he shall pray for it.”

Yet in 1Cor. 5:5, a man who is involved in a most blatant sin is delivered over to the devil as a means of restorative chastisement, which worked, and in 1Cor. 11:20-32, believers who hypocritically commemorated the selfless death of Christ by selfishly pigging out at the love feast while others went hungry - thus failing to recognize other members of the church as part of the body - were also supernaturally chastened unto repentance, though with some dying. And which restorative chastisement is necessary, if we will not be condemned with the rest of the world. (v. 32)

The primitive churches (plural) “walking in the fear of the Lord, and in the comfort of the Holy Ghost, were multiplied, (Ps. 9:31) and we are to “rejoice with trembling,” (Ps. 2:11) as we serve an awe-some and holy God, and so must i seek to better.


6,425 posted on 01/02/2011 6:43:01 AM PST by daniel1212 ( "Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out," Acts 3:19)
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