[caww]

To me your view is like asking: What is the least I can accept of God’s gifts to me. How can I isolate myself to the greatest degree from all it means to be part of the Body of Christ? This would be the way to “feel significant” in your words rather than the opposite.

I don't think that at all...perhaps you missed my point and I was not clear enough.

I realize all the window dressing in certain churches is an attraction to some...and the catholic rituals equally as much.

But when these become the focus...rather than learning about Christ, His life, and our call as Christians, then we stop being the reflection of Christ to an unsaved world and become an institute or simply a building where people meet and go thru the motions of "churchianity". Which is pretty much what I have seen and heard from catholics.

Rather than lifting up Christ, everything else is... and His name is simply attached to whatever might be showcased at the moment...more as an afterthought.

[D-fendr]

Hey, something we agree upon.

I would only add that:

- learning about Christ does not just mean bible study - or any other intellectual activity.
- Rituals are not bad in themselves, and referencing your previous point, they help simplify.

I still think we have different perceptions of what “church” is. I do know personally that what was church before my conversion is very different from what it is to me now.