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To: annalex; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; count-your-change; ...

No. Dying here on earth.

Or are you going to apply the usual hypocritical Catholic double standard of interpreting one phrase in a passage of Scripture as literal, the next phrase as figurative, the next phrase as metaphorical, the next phrase literal again, etc.?

If Catholics are going to insist on the literal meaning of the body and blood statements, then in the spirit of honest interpretation done with integrity and consistency, then ALL of the passage must be interpreted in the same sense.

This business the Catholic church does of interpreting one section one way and another one a different way all in the name of supporting Catholic doctrine is inherently dishonest to the core.

If Catholicism is going to demand a literal word for word interpretation of the body and blood statements, that they in actuality become the literal physical flesh and blood of Christ and that people have to actually, literally eat the actual literal flesh and blood of Jesus, in the interest of honesty and integrity, the sections that say that he who eats will never die, MUST mean that physical death does not occur.

It is the height of intellectual dishonesty to insist that it refers only to spiritual death when the demand is made for the rest of the passage to be taken literally and physically, and not spiritually.


6,109 posted on 12/28/2010 7:29:27 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

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No. Dying here on earth.

Or are you going to apply the usual hypocritical Catholic double standard of interpreting one phrase in a passage of Scripture as literal, the next phrase as figurative, the next phrase as metaphorical, the next phrase literal again, etc.?

If Catholics are going to insist on the literal meaning of the body and blood statements, then in the spirit of honest interpretation done with integrity and consistency, then ALL of the passage must be interpreted in the same sense.

This business the Catholic church does of interpreting one section one way and another one a different way all in the name of supporting Catholic doctrine is inherently dishonest to the core.

If Catholicism is going to demand a literal word for word interpretation of the body and blood statements, that they in actuality become the literal physical flesh and blood of Christ and that people have to actually, literally eat the actual literal flesh and blood of Jesus, in the interest of honesty and integrity, the sections that say that he who eats will never die, MUST mean that physical death does not occur.

It is the height of intellectual dishonesty to insist that it refers only to spiritual death when the demand is made for the rest of the passage to be taken literally and physically, and not spiritually.


6,111 posted on 12/28/2010 7:37:24 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: metmom; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; count-your-change
If Catholics are going to insist on the literal meaning of the body and blood statements, then in the spirit of honest interpretation done with integrity and consistency, then ALL of the passage must be interpreted in the same sense

No, that doesn't follow. We read the Bible literally when it is written in literal sense; when it is written allegorically, we shoudl take it allegorically. We shoudl always take it as written, but it does not mean ignotring allegory when allegory is intended.

the sections that say that he who eats will never die, MUST mean that physical death does not occur.

Let us examine what it actually says (You verse numbering may be one off). "If any man eat of it, he may not die" indeed contrasts the death that the Jews who were given the manna experienced to the absence of death of a Christian (vv 49-50). Two points on that, before we move on. When these words were spoken the Jews who exscaped from Egypt were dead in every sense. They both experienced death and they remained in Sheol, the abode of the dead. So that a Christian shall "not die" is a reference to the fact that a Christian who experiences death nevertheless lives with God from the moment he dies, and will be raised up in the body at the last day. See John 12:24-25, James 5:15 and verses 40, 44, 55 of this chapter).

The other references in John 6 are not to "not dying" but having "everlasting life", "living for ever", being "raised up on the last day", "living with Christ". They are clearly references to the life following death and not absence of physical death. That is, of course, consistent with the other referecnes to eternal life and something that goes past death without denying that physical death occurs (John 12:24-25, James 5:15, again).

6,613 posted on 01/04/2011 5:33:16 AM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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