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To: Kolokotronis
Why do I say “doubtful”?
In reading the purported Letters of Ignatius I'm left with the impression they were a P.R. effort to turn him into a clone of Paul.
But somehow the authors couldn't quite pull it off.
And the author of the Romans letter becomes positively bizarre in his desire for death. to quote:

“May I enjoy the wild beasts that are prepared for me; and I pray that they may be found eager to rush upon me, which also I will entice to devour me speedily, and not deal with me as with some, whom, out of fear, they have not touched. But if they be unwilling to assail me, I will compel them to do so. Pardon me [in this] I know what is for my benefit. Now I begin to be a disciple. And let no one, of things visible or invisible, envy me that I should attain to Jesus Christ. Let fire and the cross; let the crowds of wild beasts; let tearings, breakings, and dislocations of bones; let cutting off of members; let shatterings of the whole body; and let all the dreadful torments of the devil come upon me: only let me attain to Jesus Christ.”
(Early Christian Writings)

Ah yez, tearings and breakings and and and well “all the dreadful torments”! How deliciously horrible to anticipate!

6,003 posted on 12/28/2010 1:33:51 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change
"In reading the purported Letters of Ignatius I'm left with the impression they were a P.R. effort to turn him into a clone of Paul."

+Paul? Well, if that was the purpose of the author of the Letters, he or she failed miserably, I'll give you that. As for the drama of Chapter V of the Letter to the Romans, well death in the arena was a dramatic thing. It was supposed to be from the Romans' pov. I'll speculate that +Ignatius knew that the persecutions were increasing. His co-worker and fellow bishop +Polycarp had already suffered martyrdom in the arena. We know that +Ignatius had written to the Smyrneans about it. In any event, you are of course free tp be;ieve some or all of the letters are spurious. We don't and they form a fundamental part of the rationale of our ecclesiology, though not so much that of the Latins.

Here's a piece by Fr. John Romanides, of blessed memory, on the Letters and the theology of +Ignatius of Antioch. Fr. John was a very conservative Orthodox theologian.

http://www.romanity.org/htm/rom.11.en.the_ecclesiology_of_st._ignatius_of_antioch.01.htm

6,007 posted on 12/28/2010 4:22:40 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated)
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