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To: metmom; count-your-change; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums
"And yet I don't recall you telling anyone which you consider the most accurate translation going. Or what the major issues are with the other ones with specific examples of what the problem areas are. Although I could have easily missed it as I don't read every post from every FReeper."

The most accurate? Well, the most accurate of a very bad lot, but I'd say the NKJV so long as one has a good listing of the variant readings. As for what the major issues are, well, mm, with all due respect, we've been talking about them for several years here now. I didn't keep a list of them. I can tell you that anything which translates εστιν as "symbolizes" or "represents" or "signifies" is garbage.

"But yeah,..... we can all see that you're so much better than everyone else. So much superior to all the rest of us peons because of your knowledge of Greek. Even though koine Greek isn't actually modern Greek, but details, details......"

Koine is different from modern Greek and both are different from Byzantine Greek. I have degrees in ancient, koine and Byzantine Greek.

"Alleged to be written? Only alleged? What good would it do you to know the language as you claim, if you apparently don't even trust what was transcribed?"

Yes, only alleged. I say this because there are simply too many variant manuscripts to determine which one, if there is one, was actually written by any given author. For example, do you believe that +Paul wrote Hebrews? If so, why? What about Matthew? Did +Matthew write it? And which version is correct? I suppose it's a safe bet that +John wrote his gospel, but which version? I honestly don't care whether or not the various books of the NT were really written by the authors to whom the works are attributed. I also don't loose any sleep over whether or not the Johannine Comma, for example, is original or spurious. I am not a bible worshiper. Treating the bible like a Mohammedan treats the koran is heresy. My Faith comes from the Holy Spirit as a free gift through The Church.

5,906 posted on 12/27/2010 5:14:23 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated)
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To: Kolokotronis
My Faith comes from the Holy Spirit as a free gift through The Church.

What Christian would deny such?

The interesting implicit assumption in your remarks is that the Church is somehow revelatory without Scripture. All of the Old and New Testaments are merely incidental to the traditions of the Church that followed?

5,911 posted on 12/27/2010 10:01:22 AM PST by the_conscience (We ought to obey God, rather than men. (Acts 5:29b))
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To: Kolokotronis
Yes, only alleged. I say this because there are simply too many variant manuscripts to determine which one, if there is one, was actually written by any given author. For example, do you believe that +Paul wrote Hebrews? If so, why? What about Matthew? Did +Matthew write it? And which version is correct? I suppose it's a safe bet that +John wrote his gospel, but which version? I honestly don't care whether or not the various books of the NT were really written by the authors to whom the works are attributed. I also don't loose any sleep over whether or not the Johannine Comma, for example, is original or spurious. I am not a bible worshiper. Treating the bible like a Mohammedan treats the koran is heresy. My Faith comes from the Holy Spirit as a free gift through The Church.

Oremus. Concede nos famulos tuos, quaesumus, Domine Deus, perpetua mentis et corporis sanitate gaudere, et gloriosae beatae Mariae semper Virginis intercessione, a praesenti liberari tristitia, et aeterna perfrui laetitia. Per Christum Dominum nostrum. R. Amen.

5,936 posted on 12/27/2010 2:42:15 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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