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To: kosta50; Kolokotronis; MarkBsnr; metmom; stfassisi; OLD REGGIE; boatbums
As Kolo observes, ti has nothing to do with "sending" but originating. Given that both the Word and the Spirit are caused by the Father, and only the Father is without a cause, the Father is the source of everything and all, including the Godhead, i.e. the so-called "monarchy" of the Father, the essentual part of orthodox Triniarian dogma. From what Protestants, at least on these forums, write about the Holy Trinity, the monarchy of the Father doesn't exit in their "trinitarian" ideation.

It sounds like maybe "caused" is like "origin" is like "begotten"? But I have no problem with saying that the Father is the "cause" of certain things as the initiator. That is Biblical, but I would also say role-related. So are such things as "agent" or "means". This does not make the Father "greater" to me. I don't see how the ideas of monarchy (traditional) and co-equalness can both be true.

5,565 posted on 12/18/2010 5:28:37 PM PST by Forest Keeper ((It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.))
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To: Forest Keeper; Kolokotronis; MarkBsnr; metmom; stfassisi; OLD REGGIE; boatbums
That is Biblical, but I would also say role-related. So are such things as "agent" or "means". This does not make the Father "greater" to me.

How about this: the Father is greater than I [John 14:28]?

5,583 posted on 12/19/2010 8:09:14 AM PST by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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