[Forest Keeper]

FK: As far as I understand the issue, yes. Everyone agrees that the Father sent the Son, and there is no issue of subordination

Or co-equality? Even when Jesus says the Father is greater than I?

Jesus also says that He and the Father are One and that he who sees Him also sees the Father.

Where does the Bible says all three are co-equal and co-eternal?

The earlier website shows that there is one God (or just use 1 Cor. 8:4) and that the Father, Son, and Spirit are all God. Genesis shows that God is eternal.

For if the Son is begotten of the Father and the Spirit is something that "comes" out of both of them, then then the cause of the Spirit are both the Father and the Son and you have double cause. How is the Spirit co-equal then?

From what I have been able to discover there is great controversy over what "begotten" means. For me it is enough to know that all three are co-eternal and co-equal. The idea of them fulfilling different roles would not disturb this, but I can see trouble arising when trying to establish that the Father is somehow greater. I don't need to go there and don't understand why it is so important to some other Christians. Apparently, it is a HUGE deal between the Orthodox and Latins, but I have never heard the issue come up a single time as a point of discussion in the 22 years I have been going to my church.

The Spirit doesn't have everything the Father has, as the Son does.

This is exactly the kind of statement that makes no sense to me as it has God lacking something. I have never understood that to be a Christian idea.

[kosta50]

Jesus also says that He and the Father are One and that he who sees Him also sees the Father.

One in essence or nature maybe (the LDS say in purpose), but John's Jesus also clearly said that the Father was greater than him. So, here we have, in the Gospels, the concept of lesser and greater gods, which is not Trinitarian.

[Where does the Bible says all three are co-equal and co-eternal? ] The earlier website shows that there is one God (or just use 1 Cor. 8:4) and that the Father, Son, and Spirit are all God. Genesis shows that God is eternal.

Paul always identifies only one God, the Father. (1 Cor. 8:6) and Jesus as the Lord, that is—as the created medium through whom God created and through which everything exists (a classic Platonic demiurge), thus reflecting the divinity of the Father in him.

For me it is enough to know that all three are co-eternal and co-equal.

Not based on what the Bible says for sure.

I can see trouble arising when trying to establish that the Father is somehow greater

Then you have issues with what the Bible says in no uncertain terms.

Apparently, it is a HUGE deal between the Orthodox and Latins, but I have never heard the issue come up a single time as a point of discussion in the 22 years I have been going to my church.

LOL! And the Church feuded of this for the last 1000 years! That doesn't count. I suppose your 22 take precedence? Of course you wouldn't hear about it because your concept of Trinity is not what it has been since the 4th century AD. 

[The Spirit doesn't have everything the Father has, as the Son does.] This is exactly the kind of statement that makes no sense to me as it has God lacking something. I have never understood that to be a Christian idea.

Well, Jesus says He was given everything the Father has, which in itself means he didn't have it eternally, and no one ever says the same thing about the Spirit. Obviously, the Son cannot be the Father and neither can be the Spirit, so explain to me how they are all one?

 

Jesus also says that He and the Father are One and that he who sees Him also sees the Father.

One in essence or nature maybe (the LDS say in purpose), but John's Jesus also clearly said that the Father was greater than him. So, here we have, in the Gospels, the concept of lesser and greater gods, which is not Trinitarian.

[Where does the Bible says all three are co-equal and co-eternal? ] The earlier website shows that there is one God (or just use 1 Cor. 8:4) and that the Father, Son, and Spirit are all God. Genesis shows that God is eternal.

Paul always identifies only one God, the Father. (1 Cor. 8:6) and Jesus as the Lord, that is—as the created medium through whom God created and through which everything exists (a classic Platonic demiurge), thus reflecting the divinity of the Father in him.

For me it is enough to know that all three are co-eternal and co-equal.

Not based on what the Bible says for sure.

I can see trouble arising when trying to establish that the Father is somehow greater

Then you have issues with what the Bible says in no uncertain terms.

Apparently, it is a HUGE deal between the Orthodox and Latins, but I have never heard the issue come up a single time as a point of discussion in the 22 years I have been going to my church.

LOL! And the Church feuded of this for the last 1000 years! That doesn't count. I suppose your 22 take precedence? Of course you wouldn't hear about it because your concept of Trinity is not what it has been since the 4th century AD. 

[The Spirit doesn't have everything the Father has, as the Son does.] This is exactly the kind of statement that makes no sense to me as it has God lacking something. I have never understood that to be a Christian idea.

Well, Jesus says He was given everything the Father has, which in itself means he didn't have it eternally, and no one ever says the same thing about the Spirit. Obviously, the Son cannot be the Father and neither can be the Spirit, so explain to me how they are all one?