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To: boatbums
Do you really believe, as John 3:16 says, that we HAVE eternal life by believing in Jesus Christ?

Yes. Of course. In 5130 did I say anythig different? We know that those who believe in Jesus Christ will have everlasting life. You believe in some statements made by Jesus Christ, ignore others (I showed which) and add your own tenets that contradict the Gospel.

You cannot say that you believe in Jesus Christ unless you believe in everything the Jesus Christ said. More often than not, you don't. You spin Matthew 25 away, you spin the words of Institution away, in Luke 18:18-25 you make Jesus a liar out to trick an honest questioner, -- the list is long. The Protestants do not believe in Jesus Christ according to their Protestant faith; if they do, that is because from time to time they ignore their pastors. Catholics believe in everything Christ said, if they are good Catholics.

5,457 posted on 12/16/2010 5:37:28 AM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex; metmom; RnMomof7
Yes. Of course. In 5130 did I say anythig different? We know that those who believe in Jesus Christ will have everlasting life. You believe in some statements made by Jesus Christ, ignore others (I showed which) and add your own tenets that contradict the Gospel. You cannot say that you believe in Jesus Christ unless you believe in everything the Jesus Christ said. More often than not, you don't. You spin Matthew 25 away, you spin the words of Institution away, in Luke 18:18-25 you make Jesus a liar out to trick an honest questioner, -- the list is long. The Protestants do not believe in Jesus Christ according to their Protestant faith; if they do, that is because from time to time they ignore their pastors. Catholics believe in everything Christ said, if they are good Catholics.

Missed the point, again! I will try to remember that I must spell everything out for you and not assume you will recognize nuance.

You really cannot say we "Protestants" ignore selected Scriptures - I know that is always the pat answer, but it doesn't really work. When I asked you if you believed John 3:16, you replied you did, yet you then continue stating the standard Catholic line of works being necessary for salvation. Tell me where in John 3:16 does our Lord say "that whosoever believeth in him (and does good works) shall not perish but have everlasting life"? That's what I meant about needing to add the spin and say it doesn't really mean what it says that you accuse Protestants of.

Please save your "Protestants don't believe in Christ" rhetoric because you are wrong, you have been told that repeatedly, you have been shown it repeatedly, yet you cannot refrain from saying it at every opportunity. I KNOW Catholics do not believe in everything Christ said, because I once was one and rarely did we even read for ourselves what God's word said and if we dared do so and, as a result, we questioned the "Church's" teachings, we were admonished to leave the "interpreting" to the priest. You can deny this all you want, but I experienced it for myself as have others on this forum. We were lied to, deceived and drawn away from the truth of God's grace and God, through his mercy and love, saw our earnest desire for the truth and he rewarded our search with his true Gospel.

As many of have said, we did not initially seek to leave the Catholic Church but we eventually realized that staying, knowing what we now do, would hinder our walk with Christ and we would be hypocrites pretending allegiance to a religion that we knew did not teach the truth.

5,484 posted on 12/16/2010 4:31:35 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: annalex; boatbums
You cannot say that you believe in Jesus Christ unless you believe in everything the Jesus Christ said.

Everything? In context?

Jhn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Jhn 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Jhn 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Jhn 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Jhn 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Jhn 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

Jhn 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am [he], ye shall die in your sins.

Jhn 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment::9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;

Jhn 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Jesus once asked peter.."who do you say I am"..Who do you say He is? What did His death on a cross accomplish for you? Did it mearly make it possible for you to earn salvation through your church and works or did it really do something?? Look to Christ annalex , not yourself or a religious institution ... Born to us this day is a Savior. A SAVIOR

Jesus never taught salvation by works, in fact he taught just the opposite

Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

What is the will of the Father? Scripture says this is His will for men Jhn 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

The will of the Father is that we believe, so what does Jesus say to the man that thought his works or self righteousness would earn him salvation ?

Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
That mans WORKS which he did in the name of Jesus were called SIN (iniquity) by Christ. Why?

Rom 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because [he eateth] not of faith: for whatsoever [is] not of faith is sin.

Please this Christmas do not look into the manger and the infant there..look to the cross and the man that is the propitiation (wrath bearer) for your sins..

Believe John 6

Jhn 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Jhn 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
Jhn 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.
Jhn 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

5,485 posted on 12/16/2010 5:22:02 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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