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To: Kolokotronis; boatbums; metmom; stfassisi; MarkBsnr
It is absolutist and legalistic, whether in Latin Rite or Protestant vestments, which leads to otherwise perfectly rational human beings arguing over whether bats really are birds! What does this lead to? Simple, it leads to atheistic secularism.

Spot on, Kolo mou. One cannot approach faith with reason and remain faithful. The Age or reason is the precursor of atheism and it is no coincidence that it was energized by the Protestant west.

Western Christians need to learn humility. A step in that direction will be to accept that they don't need to know everything!

That's what happens when you treat your faith as knowledge and not hope.

5,282 posted on 12/13/2010 6:24:20 AM PST by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: kosta50; Kolokotronis; metmom; stfassisi; MarkBsnr
One cannot approach faith with reason and remain faithful. The Age or reason is the precursor of atheism and it is no coincidence that it was energized by the Protestant west.

I know it must be hard to bypass a chance to criticize "Protestants" but you should know that Thomas Paine (The author of Age of Reason) had this to say about religion in general:

I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish Church, by the Roman Church, by the Greek Church, by the Turkish Church, by the Protestant Church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church.
All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit. (At the beginning of Part I, Age of Reason)

So, would you please point me to where you get the idea that the Age of Reason was energized by the "Protestant" west? That Thomas Jefferson (a deist, most likely) encouraged him and convinced him to come to America after suffering persecution (and a lucky escape from execution) in France in 1794, does not mean he wasn't just as dismissive of Protestantism as Catholicism.

5,335 posted on 12/13/2010 10:23:34 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: kosta50; Kolokotronis; metmom; stfassisi; MarkBsnr
One cannot approach faith with reason and remain faithful.

Isaiah 1:18
Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

5,337 posted on 12/13/2010 10:33:20 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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