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To: metmom
Notice, Mark, the use of the past tense in the bolded part - past tense. God did this for us while we were dead in our trespasses and sins. We have it now. "The immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus" are yet to be seen.

Paul is describing to the Ephesians future eschatology - what they can expect and hope for when they live in Christ. This is not a done thing - it is description of a great future if they remain Christian and in Christ.

Let us go to the previous chapter, where Paul tells them of their expected life in Christ:

Ephesians 1: 18 May the eyes of (your) hearts be enlightened, that you may know what is the hope that belongs to his call, what are the riches of glory in his inheritance among the holy ones, 19 and what is the surpassing greatness of his power for us who believe, in accord with the exercise of his great might, 20 which he worked in Christ, raising him from the dead and seating him at his right hand in the heavens, 21 far above every principality, authority, power, and dominion, and every name that is named not only in this age but also in the one to come. 22 And he put all things beneath his feet and gave him as head over all things to the church, 23 which is his body, 11 the fullness of the one who fills all things in every way.

Paul continues in Chapter 2, telling them of what they can expect as long as they remain faithful.

Salvation is by grace through faith SO THAT NO MAN MAY BOAST. If works are part of it, it leaves room for man's boasting for his part in it. God then doesn't get all the glory.

Those bozos who declare themselves saved give God none of the glory; they arrogantly supersede the Judgement of Christ for their judgement of themselves.

4,039 posted on 12/01/2010 5:36:48 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: MarkBsnr; metmom
Those bozos who declare themselves saved give God none of the glory; they arrogantly supersede the Judgement of Christ for their judgement of themselves.

Can you provide even one post where us "arrogant bozos" declared that our salvation was of our own doing? Where we even one time declared that we were "superseding" the role of Christ in our judgment? I really would like to know, for future reference, of course, just what it is that we say that makes you go off on this kind of rant. Because I cannot for the life of me understand how it is you can arrive at such a disconnection.

4,150 posted on 12/01/2010 10:09:07 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: MarkBsnr
Those bozos who declare themselves saved give God none of the glory; they arrogantly supersede the Judgement of Christ for their judgement of themselves.

Those "bozos" give God ALL the glory for saving them because anyone who is saved, realizes where they've come from and how little they deserve it and how incapable they are of doing it themselves.

God gets the glory because our faith overcomes the world and the world system. God gets glory through the faith we have in Him that He is trustworthy.

BTW, I normally don't correct spelling, but since it's so unusual for you to have grammar errors in your posts, "judgment" has only one *e*.

4,153 posted on 12/01/2010 10:31:12 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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