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To: metmom; presently no screen name; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee
Obviously SHE saw her need for a Savior

Mary testified that her spirit had rejoiced in her Savior before Christ was even born. Nobody else fits in that category.

What Scripture in the Bible that the Catholic church takes responsibility for states that Mary was without sin? That she never sinned?

This tradition was passed down from the Apostles who personally knew Mary. All Christians held this tradition until a few centuries ago. When did Protestants come to reject this universal Christian belief? It must have been after the time of Martin Luther:

Luther's Sermon: "On the Day of the Conception of the Mother of God," 1527 It is a sweet and pious belief that the infusion of Mary's soul was effected without original sin; so that in the very infusion of her soul she was also purified from original sin and adorned with God's gifts, receiving a pure soul infused by God; thus from the first moment she began to live she was free from all sin"

http://www.davidmacd.com/catholic/martin_luther_on_mary.htm

2,576 posted on 11/18/2010 12:43:29 PM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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To: mas cerveza por favor

mas cerveza por favor wrote:
“Mary testified that her spirit had rejoiced in her Savior before Christ was even born. Nobody else fits in that category.”

This is a keeper for the ages!

It is wrong on so many levels. And it is wrong because of fundamental Roman Catholic doctrine that denies that the faithful of the Old Testament were saved by grace through faith in the promised Savior. When Job confessed, “I know that My Redeemer lives. And He shall stand at last on the earth; and after my skin is destroyed, this I know, that in my flesh I shall see God, whom I shall behold for myself, and my eyes shall behold and not another. How my heart yearns within me,” (Job 19:25-27) he confessed that his hope of resurrection to life everlasting was grounded in Him who would “stand at last on the earth.” This is identically the same faith that Martha expressed in the NT: “Now Martha said to Jesus, ‘Lord if You had been here, my brother would not have died. But even now I know that whatever You ask of God, God will give You.’ Jesus said to her, ‘Your brother will rise again.’ Martha said to Him, ‘I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.’ Jesus said to her, ‘I am the resurrection and the life. He who believe in Me, though He may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believe in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?’ She said to Him, ‘Yes, Lord, I believe that You are the Christ, the Son of God, who IS TO COME into the world.’” (John 11:21-27)

This is Old Testament faith!!!!!!! It is the faith of Eve and Abraham, of Moses and David, of Isaiah and Daniel. Martha was no Jewish convert to Christianity, she was a “daughter of Abraham” from the get go, as was Mary her sister, Elizabeth, Anna, and MARY THE MOTHER OF OUR LORD!!!!!

That such absurd statements as this are made by Catholics is a testament to the complete chaos that the Roman Magisterium has brought upon the Scriptural and Apostolic doctrine that she was bequeathed. That doctrine was never hers to alter in any way, for it is God’s, as Paul and Peter, Mark and Luke, John and James all knew with unshakeable certainty. In this matter Rome has sinned, not simply against humanity, but against God Himself. And what a cluttered and impoverished faith she has been reduced to peddling to the unwary today, and trying so vainly to defend in the public square!


2,583 posted on 11/18/2010 2:09:55 PM PST by Belteshazzar
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To: mas cerveza por favor
This tradition was passed down from the Apostles who personally knew Mary.

This of course is one of the many myths put out by your religion...

Just for the record, who is the first of your church fathers who recorded this tradition???

2,591 posted on 11/18/2010 3:04:05 PM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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