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To: mas cerveza por favor; Quix
I wrote: "For 1500 years, the Catholic Church authenticated its teaching by reference to its scripture in the context of history. No Christian ever thought to question this basic understanding of reality."

Prior to the Sixteenth Century, what Christian ever questioned teaching according to history?

Prior to the council of Nicea there is no
corporation called the Roman catholic church.

It was created out of whole cloth at Nicea
by the Roman Pontiff Constantine.

Who by the way was a pagan.

He was a vehement anti-semite who ordered
the rejection of YHvH's Passover and Sabbat worship
as commanded by Holy Scripture.

He as a pagan ordered the creation of the
pagan feast of Easter and pagan Sunday worship.

Prior to 1600 and after 325CE all who questioned
the Roman "church" were murdered by the Roman "church"

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
2,118 posted on 11/15/2010 3:32:01 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

I hope you have your hazmat suit on.


2,125 posted on 11/15/2010 4:26:06 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012
"It was created out of whole cloth at Nicea by the Roman Pontiff Constantine."

Is this St,]. Groundhogs Day? This "crepe" was refuted multiple times before. I guess sooner or later some moron will forget and post it yet again. Constantine was never a Pontiff and he didn't incorporate the Church. He simply legalized and endorsed it.

2,127 posted on 11/15/2010 4:35:39 PM PST by Natural Law (lex orandi, lex credendi, lex vivendi)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

That pagan ordered the murder of many Christians just because they would not follow his changing the day of worship from the Sabbath.


2,130 posted on 11/15/2010 4:41:49 PM PST by Lera
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To: UriÂ’el-2012
Prior to the council of Nicea there is no corporation called the Roman catholic church. It was created out of whole cloth at Nicea by the Roman Pontiff Constantine.

Roman Pontiff did not attend the Council of Nicea in Turkey. It was convoked by the Emperor Constantine who was building his new capital in Turkey.

Who by the way was a pagan.

No. Emperor Constantine was baptized on his deathbed and his mother, St. Helena, was a pious Christian.

He was a vehement anti-semite who ordered the rejection of YHvH's Passover and Sabbat worship as commanded by Holy Scripture. He as a pagan ordered the creation of the pagan feast of Easter and pagan Sunday worship.

Easter had alway been celebrated. The issue was whether to celebrate only on Sunday, or according to the lunar calendar where the day of the week changes from year to year. Sunday had long been the regular day of worship for Christians. Constantine convoked council in hopes of preventing war between Church factions. He was not yet fully a member of the Church and did not take part in the theological discussions.

Prior to 1600 and after 325CE all who questioned the Roman "church" were murdered by the Roman "church"

No. The Church has always encouraged vigorous debate following St. Paul's direction that Christians must "give reason for what you believe." The Catholic Church invented the university system and the accompanying academic freedom. However, prior the the Protestant/Enlightenment rejection of historical proof and linear logic, there was a difference in debate. Pursuit of truth was considered necessary and the debater was required to provide proofs of his position. The idea that "freedom of speech" includes the right of willful lying is a modern falsehood. The Catholic belief is that error has no rights.

2,133 posted on 11/15/2010 4:45:13 PM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

Now THAT is true history!

The calendar was changed, also. Jesus was born in September not December.


2,147 posted on 11/15/2010 5:26:54 PM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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