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To: RnMomof7
Nice try, but the burden BEFORE GOD and men is on the one adding their traditions to HIS WORD..
Who is the "the one adding their traditions to HIS WORD"? Are you condemning the Apostles?
Playing games with words proves nothing and does nothing to glorify God ..The apostles were dead within 100 years of Christ's crucification. They like all men were subject to sin and error, with the exception of the inspired scriptures, their teachings they were not infallible..

The question stands. Do you condemn the Apostles for adding their traditions to HIS WORD? It is a simple query derived from your own statement. You hedged on the answer. Try again or perhaps you should just withdraw your original statement.

The Sixteenth Century avant garde Protestants were not simple men.
Not one of them had men falling at their feet or kissing their rings.. they stood on the word of God as written by those simple men

LOL. The Protestant princes were "liberated" from obedience to the Church but the people had to bow and scrape before the new absolutist power of government. Previously, there had been a balance of power between the "lords temporal and religious." Subsequently, the people were on their own with no authoritative religious leaders to protect them. The Church had kept one third of the land in Europe as living space for peasants and monks. The newly "liberated" princes seized these properties for themselves and booted off the inhabitants. Luther bitterly lamented this result in his later years.

2,064 posted on 11/15/2010 1:09:34 PM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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To: mas cerveza por favor
LOL. The Protestant princes were "liberated" from obedience to the Church but the people had to bow and scrape before the new absolutist power of government. Previously, there had been a balance of power between the "lords temporal and religious." Subsequently, the people were on their own with no authoritative religious leaders to protect them. The Church had kept one third of the land in Europe as living space for peasants and monks. The newly "liberated" princes seized these properties for themselves and booted off the inhabitants. Luther bitterly lamented this result in his later years.

This is all a joke right? LOL The only ones they needed protection from was Rome ...

2,084 posted on 11/15/2010 2:00:29 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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To: mas cerveza por favor

<<<<<< Luther bitterly lamented this result in his later years>>>>>

Catholics can not get over their hatred of this godly man ..maybe a look into their own souls might reveal the root of that sin that God calls murder (Matt 5:22)

In the last days before his death Luther had been the cheerful man his friends knew and loved. He had successfully completed a difficult mission: a trip from Wittenberg to Eisleben to mediate in a protracted quarrel between the two counts of Mansfeld, the brothers Gebhard and Albert. Hours had been spent sitting between the parties, listening to the clever reasoning of administrative lawyers—a breed he had despised ever since his early days as a law student in Erfurt. After two tough weeks of negotiation, the parties had narrowed their differences and a reconciliation had finally—though only temporarily—been achieved. So there was reason to be cheerful. Luther had suspected that he would die in Eisleben, the place of his birth. But this did not worry him, although he was quite sure he had little time left: “When I get home to Wittenberg again, I will lie down in my coffin and give the worms a fat doctor to feast on.” By highlighting the skeleton within the human body, late medieval art had urgently reminded everyone that health, beauty, and wealth were only a few breaths away from the Dance of Death. The “fat doctor” was well aware of this, not as a moralistic horror story, but as a reality of life poised on the brink of eternity. [Source: Heiko Oberman, Luther: Man Between God and the Devil (New York: Doubleday, 1982), 305].

Philip Melanchthon recorded this final prayer uttered by Luther:

“My Heavenly Father, eternal Compassionate God, you have revealed to me your beloved Son our LORD Jesus Christ whom I have known, of whom I have acquaintance, whom I love, and whom I honor as my beloved Savior and Redeemer, whom the Godless persecute, dissipate, and reproach. Take my Soul to you. This he said three times: ‘Into your hands I commend my Spirit, you have redeemed me God of truth. And God so loved the world…”


2,121 posted on 11/15/2010 4:16:47 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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