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To: mas cerveza por favor
Obviously not, but God allows free will. Calvinists are blinded to this reality, but anyone who wants to sin may do so.

There is no such thing as "free will". You are either doing God's will or you are doing your (evil) will. If you wish to follow your (evil) will, you may indeed do so. But just as David (and others) found out, following your (evil) will will draw the chastisement of God.

So what you are saying is that the Church is following their "free will" (e.g. evil will) in allowing homosexual "Catholics" in the Church. To say that they have not altered Church doctrine is silly because they have. The Church had to draw up doctrine and policies on the matter.

Admit it. There is nothing else like the Catholic Church. Even if many of her officials are given over to sin for a season, her doctrine remains pure. Over the past 2000 years, as civilizations faded and empires collapsed, a miraculous regenerative power kept renewing the Church to a state of youth and vitality.

Actually, Islam has been around for a lot longer. That doesn't make her correct. I hope you would agree.

As far as the Roman Catholic Church's doctrine having "remain pure", I find that pure hogwash. There have been major shifts in their doctrines including the atonement in which the Church will admit they have changed from what the early church fathers believe. And the early fathers believed that we were the new Israel-something you won't hear the Church saying these days (instead they tell us what bigots the early fathers were). Saying that all religions worship the same God as the Church has is nonsense and is in direct rebellion to the Great Commission. And the Church's belief in the infallibility of the Pope is a new view that even the Orthodox find laughable. And we won't even go into the idolatry (yes, that's the correct word) of Mary.

Today the Roman Catholic Church resembles about as much of the Christian church as the Democratic party resembles the same party of JFK era. You may wish to read Augustine who warned of this; as Christians moved aways from the time of Christ, their doctrines would become more and more distorted. Like a pebble tossed into water Augustine said; the ripples become unclear the farther out you go. Catholics are more capable of spouting the Church canons rather than having a consistent systematic theology based upon God's written word. Catholics today do not really believe in the infallibility of scripture; rather accepting the fallible writings of the Church body.

Today, many who are blind to the workings of the Spirit predict that the Church is on her last legs and headed for extinction. Such naysayers will join the company of failed prophets who've said the same throughout the millenia.

I wouldn't be so bold as to predict the end of the Roman Catholic Church. They still, after all, have lots of money and keep a goodly number of people in innorant of the gospel. However, without darkness we couldn't see the light.

1,851 posted on 11/14/2010 4:51:53 PM PST by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD
To say that they have not altered Church doctrine is silly because they have. The Church had to draw up doctrine and policies on the matter.

You know this? Where did the Church alter her doctrine on homosexuality like the Protestant denominations? Never happened.

Actually, Islam has been around for a lot longer.

Muhammed was born more than 500 years after Christ, the Founder of the Catholic Church. Anyway, Islam is just a Protestant-like hodgepodge with no central doctrine or authority so, unlike the Catholic Church, it is nothing unique. Every imam, like ever Evangelical, is his own interpretor of God's will.

As far as the Roman Catholic Church's doctrine having "remain pure", I find that pure hogwash. There have been major shifts in their doctrines including the atonement in which the Church will admit they have changed from what the early church fathers believe.

Nothing but unsupported assertion (hogwash). All Church doctrines are publicly accessible on the internet. You cannot cite that there has been any shift.

And the early fathers believed that we were the new Israel-something you won't hear the Church saying these days (instead they tell us what bigots the early fathers were).

This teaching is still very much Catholic doctrine as a Middle Eastern Catholic bishop recently attested, despite the cravenness of liberals and neocons. Your idea that the Church teaches its early saints were bigots is preposterous.

Saying that all religions worship the same God as the Church has is nonsense and is in direct rebellion to the Great Commission.

Again, you make unsupported assertions. The Church teaches that God is Trinitarian. Obviously, that is not the same god worshiped by Muslims or rabbinical Jews.

And the Church's belief in the infallibility of the Pope is a new view that even the Orthodox find laughable.

Eastern Christians did not find this laughable before the schism. All councils of the illustrious Greek Fathers were submitted to the Patriarch of Rome for approval. No council decisions rejected by the successor to Peter were retained in the East prior to the split.

And we won't even go into the idolatry (yes, that's the correct word) of Mary.

The Fathers, Doctors, East Orthodox, and even Martin Luther beg to differ.

You may wish to read Augustine who warned of this; as Christians moved aways from the time of Christ, their doctrines would become more and more distorted. Like a pebble tossed into water Augustine said; the ripples become unclear the farther out you go.

Latin Father St. Augustine, bishop of Hippo, did not apply this principle to Roman Catholic doctrine, so what is your point?

Catholics today do not really believe in the infallibility of scripture

Yet more heedless calumny. Liberals do not believe in Scripture. Catholics do.

1,867 posted on 11/14/2010 6:14:15 PM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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