Posted on 10/31/2010 11:59:22 AM PDT by RnMomof7
In Christ Alone lyrics
Songwriters: Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;
In Christ alone my hope is found He is my light, my strength, my song This Cornerstone, this solid ground Firm through the fiercest drought and storm
What heights of love, what depths of peace When fears are stilled, when strivings cease My Comforter, my All in All Here in the love of Christ I stand
In Christ alone, who took on flesh Fullness of God in helpless Babe This gift of love and righteousness Scorned by the ones He came to save
?Til on that cross as Jesus died The wrath of God was satisfied For every sin on Him was laid Here in the death of Christ I live, I live
There in the ground His body lay Light of the world by darkness slain Then bursting forth in glorious Day Up from the grave He rose again
And as He stands in victory Sin?s curse has lost its grip on me For I am His and He is mine Bought with the precious blood of Christ
Now who could that be? Kosta? No....Me? No....So...I guess that would be YOU, MARK! :)
You are quite right, we are not miles apart.
However, it is not an unserious matter to lay upon God the responsibility for consigning some to perdition. Fundamentally, that contradicts what His own word says of Him, that He would have ALL men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. That is my problem with Calvin. He is simply wrong in this, and in being wrong impugns the honor of God, which itself goes against the first and great commandment, whether enumerated as among two or ten others. In so saying I realize well that no Calvinist is Calvin. There are degrees. Just as not every papist is the pope. There are degrees. I choose to err on the side of the gospel in assuming anything about who is who. Since it is, according to His own word, God’s prerogative to settle final accounts, I gladly leave it to Him.
One last thing. The chief attribute of God that Calvin would emphasize, is exactly that which you have stated, that is, His sovereignty. That skews one’s theology one way or the other. Lutherans would say no, this is skewed in the wrong direction. They would say, for example, look at what God is being praised for by the host of heaven above all other things, all other of His attributes, in the book of Revelation (as everywhere else in the Bible). It is not His sovereignty, but His grace and mercy. This is fundamental to both Lutheran theology (and soteriology) and to the very confidence you rightly sense in Luther vis-a-vis God. Yes, God is sovereign, of course. But His grace and mercy is what draws us to Him. “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son ... “ is the best known and loved verse of the Bible for so many reasons, not least of which is the fact that His own Holy Spirit has led so many to love and treasure this cardinal truth.
Blessed Sunday to you, FK.
Very Orthodox.
You guys post that you declare yourselves the Judge of your salvation, so you have no need of Jesus as a mediator, unless it is between you and yourself. We have just established that the Reformed doctrine of the reprobate has no legitimacy in Scripture, and Paul himself would flee in horror from the Reformed claims of his words; and the Psalms do not supersede the words of Almighty God for Christians.
Keep the term Presbyterian; it suits your cult's belief.
Actually the term barbarian originally meant those with beards ie those savages of the wilds bereft of the benefits of civilization. Consider that when dining on octopus with garlic lightly sauteed in olive oil accompanied by ouzo...hmmm, maybe I should become barbarian myself...
In the event that you depart from your swamp into places where they have book larnin', you may discover that the Muslims claim that they follow the Abrahamic faith. They believe that Abraham is a great prophet of God; the Jews (and the Christians) follow Abraham through Isaac and Jacob, whereas the Muslims follow Abraham through Ismail. No spin; you simply must get out more.
“”God has no obligation to follow human notions of what we call “fairness”””
Do you believe that if two people have identical sins and both repented from them and loved God the same, that God would be right in sending one person to heaven and the other to hell?
If so, it would mean that God is imperfect in judgment,which can not be so
In other words...they couldn't speak Greek!
The title reminds us that Jesus, Whose mother is Mary, is God. It arose during the Nestorian controversy where it was belhpemously suggested that she is mother of Christ but not mother of God. There were two sides to that heresy: that Christ is not God (Arainism) or that Christ has both divine and human nature and Mary gave birth to His human nature only (as if it were possible to give birth to a nature but not to the whole person).
Christians who know their faith know that the fact that the Virgin Mary is mother of God does not mean that she preexisted her Son.
Kolokotronis wrote:
“Very orthodox.”
That may be. It is surely very Lutheran.
I once rode on a train from Ternopil, Ukraine to Odessa. On it was a fairly young orthodox (Autocephalous, if I recall correctly) priest together with his wife and two or three young children. He had just been appointed the chaplain/priest of the mariners’ chapel there. We talked for quite a while, maybe an hour. He was quite evangelical (in the original sense of the term) in his theology. But, I must confess, he was in this quite unlike others I had met before.
The dump that you gave me is astoundingly sophomoric and incomplete as per the following example:
1 John 4:2-3: “This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.” The above verse needs to be cross referenced with John 1:1,14 (also written by John) where he states that the Word was God and the Word became flesh.
No kidding: John was also written by John. Do you even read the stuff that you post? I ask you for the essential scriptures and the dump goes off in a diatribe against all those that the author dislikes. Are you guys really this shallow? You rant and rave against Catholics, but when asked for substance, this is the best you can do?
Netmom: Likely because they didn't think that people were such idiots that they plain meaning of *brothers* and *sisters* and naming the brothers would be lost on them
No, that is not it, because, regardless whether among Jesus's "brothers" were any of the same mother, the Bible contains many instances of expansive use of "brother" and "sister". Lot for example is called "brother" of Abraham, even though he is his cousin; one Mary is called a "sister" of another.
Also, like many explained before, when talking of a large company of relatives close in age, "brothers" is the plain word to use, and it applies collectively to the brothers of the same parents, cousins, adopted children, step children, etc.
Love and aid, unlooked for, yet found, is amongst the greatest gifts that one can ever receive from another human being.
It is simply a fact, and truth matters. I have a historical religion that has to do with actual events that took place 2000 years ago and I would like the knowledge of these facts remain straight. I don't pick and choose what to believe and what to discard -- I am not a Protestant, thank God.
Odd, I thought that it referred to any foreigner of uncivilized persuasion, especially those with beards. You wouldn't know of any Greeks with beards would you? :)
mark you asked for the scripture that Protestants agree on.. THE ESSENTIAL SCRIPTURE FOR SALVATION ..that “dump”was the word of God..and actually more sound than the out of context proof texts in your “catechism”
Well, I do sport a full goatee...
Also, I believe it is a good form to give a reference to what you are quoting and spare the reader the need to google the text to find out. It is not the first time you do that. If you don't know how to make links, ask and I'll teach you, but you always can at least indicate the document and chapter.
The quote, ye Gentle Freeper, is from Trent, SESSION XIII, Ch. 9, canon 906 (Link)
If you go back and read the carm.org web page, it claims nothing of the sort. This is really, really, pathetic. The web page claims that it contains the essential doctrines of Christianity. But it only has a single - that is ONE - primary Gospel proof. What a lousy Christian presentation. No wonder you guys get it so wrong so often, and so completely so much of the time.
You have a problem with Scripture? What better would you like?
Providing anything is better than most Catholics do because the most that the vast majority of Catholics provide is nothing but insults and diatribes.
Rants and raves? People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
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