Posted on 10/31/2010 11:59:22 AM PDT by RnMomof7
In Christ Alone lyrics
Songwriters: Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;
In Christ alone my hope is found He is my light, my strength, my song This Cornerstone, this solid ground Firm through the fiercest drought and storm
What heights of love, what depths of peace When fears are stilled, when strivings cease My Comforter, my All in All Here in the love of Christ I stand
In Christ alone, who took on flesh Fullness of God in helpless Babe This gift of love and righteousness Scorned by the ones He came to save
?Til on that cross as Jesus died The wrath of God was satisfied For every sin on Him was laid Here in the death of Christ I live, I live
There in the ground His body lay Light of the world by darkness slain Then bursting forth in glorious Day Up from the grave He rose again
And as He stands in victory Sin?s curse has lost its grip on me For I am His and He is mine Bought with the precious blood of Christ
I thought your father took you out of the Church after he saw a priest at the racetrack?
Izzat so? Never met a pastor at the racetrack? Or any other venue that Mrs. Grundy would disapprove of? I am detecting great steaming piles of hypocrisy, which dwarf the ones hurled by the anti Catholics in recent memory.
No. It's sad, though, when you have to carry the water of the children of the Reformation, since they don't have the fortitude to carry it for themselves.
For that matter, do the Oneness Pentecostals, the LDS, the JWs or the Reformed hold the faith of Abraham? I would identify a whole bunch of them as non Christian. Let's see your indignant repudiation of those supposed Christians who actually are not.
And many Catholics are masters at manipulating definitions. That's how the RCC fakes people out.
The teachings of the Apostles are not fake. If you would look at the Reformed teaching of 'reprobate', you would realize that most if not all variants of Christianity from the original are faked to one degree or another. There is Catholicism and then there is every other, lesser than the Faith that they copied and pretended to improve upon.
Correct. And that is the terminology that I attempt to employ, using Latin versus Orthodox (or particular Orthodox Church) when I address them
And clearly +Mark, being a well known social and religious anarchist, was speaking Of Orthodoxy when he wrote this, right? I suppose it didn't occur to you that it was precisely Tradition, Holy Tradition, which assured what is called the Gospel According to Matthew a place in the canon of Christian scripture. That little fact places a rather different spin on the verse than you present. Bottom line, pnsn, without our Holy Tradition, you'd have no Christian bible to thump, let alone misinterpret with your personal views.
Who are blessed?
Well, certainly not me. I am among the chief sinners. Would it be you perhaps?
"Hear what? The Word of God, nothing else. And not just hear but obey it. Obey 'IT', not a substitute."
Which version in what language?
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I regret that you consider my posts here as “biased”.
I am not biased against Protestantism. The family I came from are all Protestants. I became Catholic by choice and even so, as an extended family, we managed to respect one another’s Christian way of life.
I am always ready to profess my Catholic beliefs, and don’t like them to be falsely presented by those who are not Catholic.
I wish I were better at defending and explaining my Faith. God seems to have chosen others who are much better at it than I am, and for that, I’m very grateful-—and I’m especially grateful to all those Catholics who participate on this forum.
But, having said that—I am deeply enriched by Sacred Scripture, and my life has been given over to Jesus. I am a child of God.
Никола Тесла је Србин, Κοστα μου! :)
“Correct. And that is the terminology that I attempt to employ, using Latin versus Orthodox (or particular Orthodox Church) when I address them.”
Indeed you do, Mark. Maybe we can change the convention around here!
And what of those of us who stick to the Queen’s English?
Why, we pray for you, of course. What sort of people do you take us for? :)
Why, we pray for you, of course. What sort of people do you take us for? :)
Barbarians, of course. :)
Flee from it, if God so wills.
You mean the Barbarians we are singing about here?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvLzNX8MuCY
Here's the "non pc" translation:
O Lord, save thy people,
and bless thine inheritance!
Grant victory to the Orthodox Christians,
over the barbarians,
and by virtue of thy cross,
preserve thy habitation.
We are talking about muslims and how they don’t worship the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob no matter how the Vatican wants to spin that .
If you want the scripture that has led us in agreement to the doctrine here it is. Will you read it?
The Deity of Christ
Jesus is God in flesh (John 8:58 with Exodus 3:14). See also John 1:1,14; 10:30-33; 20:28; Col. 2:9; Phil. 2:5-8; Heb. 1:8
1 John 4:2-3: “This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.”
The above verse needs to be cross referenced with John 1:1,14 (also written by John) where he states that the Word was God and the Word became flesh.
1 John 4:2-3 is saying that if you deny that Jesus is God in flesh then you are of the spirit of Antichrist.
John 8:24, “I said, therefore, to you, that you will die in your sins. For if you do not believe that I am, you will die in your sins.”
Jesus said that if you do not believe “that I am” you will die in your sins. In Greek I am is ‘ego eimi,’ which means ‘I am.’ These are the same words used in John 8:58, where Jesus says “...before Abraham was, I am.” He was claiming the divine title by quoting Exodus 3:14.
The Greek Septuagint is the Hebrew Old Testament translated into Greek, done by Jews around 250 B.C. They translated Exodus 3:14 as ‘ego eimi’ “I AM”.)
Jesus is the proper object of faith
It is not simply enough to have faith. Faith is only as valid as the person in whom you put it. You must put your faith in the proper person. Cults have false objects of faith (false gods); therefore, their faith is useless — no matter how sincere they are.
If you put your faith in a guru, a philosopher, or a past teacher (and not Jesus) to save you from your sins on Judgment Day, then you will be in a lot of trouble, no matter how sincere or strong your faith is. You might have great faith, but so what? Faith in something false has the same effect as no faith at all.
The Doctrine of the deity of Christ includes:
The Trinity - There is one God who exists in three persons: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. They are all coeternal and of the same nature.
Monotheism - There is only one God in all existence (Isaiah 43:10; 44:6,8; 45:5,14,18,21,22; 46:9; 47:8). Mormons believe that many gods exist, though they serve and worship only one. Therefore, they are polytheists which excludes them from the camp of Christianity.
The Hypostatic Union - That Jesus is both God and man.
The sufficiency of the sacrifice of Christ - The sacrifice of Christ is completely sufficient to pay for the sins of the world and it is only through Jesus’ sacrifice that anyone can be saved.
As God - Only a perfect sacrifice to God is able to cleanse us from our sins. This is why Jesus, who is God in flesh, died for us.
He had to die for the sins of the world (1 John 2:2). Only God could do that.
As man - Jesus must be man to be able to be a sacrifice for man.
As a man He can be the mediator between God and man (1 Tim. 2:5).
This means that the Jehovah’s Witnesses, The Way International, Islam, etc., are outside of Christianity.
Salvation by Grace
“For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith — and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God — not by works, so that no one can boast,” (Eph. 2:8-9, NIV).
“You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace” (Gal. 5:4).
This verse and its context plainly teach that if you believe that you are saved by faith and works then you are not saved at all. This is a common error in the cults. Because they have a false Jesus, they have a false doctrine of salvation. (Read Rom. 3-5 and Gal. 3-5).
You cannot add to the work of God. Gal. 2:21 says, “I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!” (NIV)
“Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin,” (Rom. 3:20).
“However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness,” (Rom. 4:5).
“Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law,” (Gal. 3:21).
Salvation is not universal resurrection as Mormonism would declare. Rather, it is the saving from God’s righteous judgment. Furthermore, salvation, which is the forgiveness of sins is accomplished by faith alone (Rom. 4:1-11).
Roman Catholicism denies salvation by grace through faith alone in Christ alone. Therefore, Roman Catholicism is outside of Christianity.
The Resurrection of Christ
“And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith,” (1 Cor. 15:14). “And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins,” (1 Cor. 15:17).
To deny the physical resurrection is to deny that Jesus’ work was a satisfactory offering to God the Father. It would mean that Jesus was corrupt and needed to stay in the grave. But, he did not stay because his sacrifice was perfect.
These verses clearly state that if you say that Jesus did not rise from the dead (in the same body He died in — John 2:19-21), then your faith is useless.
The Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Muslims deny Jesus’ physical resurrection. Therefore, they are outside of Christianity.
The Gospel
“But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!” (Gal. 1:8-9, NIV).
Verses 8 and 9 here in Galatians are a self declarative statement that you must believe the gospel. The gospel message which in its entirety is that Jesus is God in flesh, who died for sins, rose from the dead, and freely gives the gift of eternal life to those who believe.
Furthermore, it would not be possible to present the gospel properly without declaring that Jesus is God in flesh per John 1:1,14; 10:30-33; 20:28; Col. 2:9; Phil. 2:5-8; Heb. 1:8.
1 Cor. 15:1-4 defines what the gospel is: “Now, brothers, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain. For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,” (NIV).
Within these verses are the essentials: Christ is God in flesh (John 1:1,14; 10:30-33; 20:28; Col. 2:9); Salvation is received by faith (John 1:12; Rom. 10:9-10), therefore it is by grace; and the resurrection is mentioned in verse 4. Therefore, this gospel message automatically includes the essentials.
Monotheism
There is only one God (Exodus 20:3; Isaiah 43:10; 44:6,8))
“You shall have no other gods before Me. 4 You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. 5 You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing lovingkindness to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments,” (Exodus 20:3-6).
We can see that God will visit iniquity on the descendents of those who do not follow the true and living God.
Mormonism, for example, is not monotheistic. Mormonism teaches that there are many gods but only one is worshipped. Therefore, Mormonism is outside of Christianity.
Secondary Essentials
Secondary essentials are necessary truths, but there is no self-declared penalty for their denial — yet they are still essential to the Christian faith. Again, by way of example, Jesus says that he is the way, the truth, and the life, and no one comes to the Father but by him, (John 14:6). I call this a secondary essential because there’s no penalty associated with its denial. Nevertheless, it is a statement of absolute truth and is an essential Christian teaching that cannot be denied.
Jesus is the only way to salvation
“Jesus said to him, ‘I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me,’” (John 14:6)
Jesus declared that he was the only access to God the Father. To deny this is to deny what Jesus said.
Jesus’ Virgin Birth
“’Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and shall bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,’ which translated means, ‘God with us,’” (Matt. 1:23).
Without the virgin birth, we cannot substantiate the doctrine of the incarnation of Jesus being God in flesh. This would put at risk what Jesus said above in John 8:24, where he said, “I said, therefore, to you, that you will die in your sins. For if you do not believe that I am, you will die in your sins.”
Doctrine of the Trinity
Matt. 28:19, “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,” (see also, Matt. 3:16-17; 1 Cor. 12:4-6; 2 Cor. 13:14; Eph. 4:4-6.)
This doctrine is not represented by a single verse per se, though it is hinted at. The doctrine of the Trinity is arrived at systematically by looking at the totality of Scripture. It is, nevertheless, the proper representation of scriptural revelation concerning the nature of God.
The Trinity is denied by Mormonism, the Jehovah’s Witnesses, Islam, The Way International, etc.
http://carm.org/essential-doctrines-of-christianity
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