In Christ Alone (Happy reformation day)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExnTlIM5QgE ^ | Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;

[RnMomof7]

In Christ Alone lyrics

Songwriters: Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;

In Christ alone my hope is found He is my light, my strength, my song This Cornerstone, this solid ground Firm through the fiercest drought and storm

What heights of love, what depths of peace When fears are stilled, when strivings cease My Comforter, my All in All Here in the love of Christ I stand

In Christ alone, who took on flesh Fullness of God in helpless Babe This gift of love and righteousness Scorned by the ones He came to save

?Til on that cross as Jesus died The wrath of God was satisfied For every sin on Him was laid Here in the death of Christ I live, I live

There in the ground His body lay Light of the world by darkness slain Then bursting forth in glorious Day Up from the grave He rose again

And as He stands in victory Sin?s curse has lost its grip on me For I am His and He is mine Bought with the precious blood of Christ

[Natural Law]

"Debate vs Hear and Obey."

Hear and obey what? If you guys had unanimity there would not be 33,000 flavors of Protestants. You demand blind obedience yet can't agree on what that means. Seems that ya'll could afford some kind of Maginsetium, but that would limit your freedom to interpret God's Word to mean what ever you want it to.....LOL

[kosta50]

Do lots of people lying together make something true?

First I never said anyone deliberately lied. People write what they believe and if their beliefs are false, it is not a deliberate lie.

Second, what is "lots" of people? Eight or nine?

Third, in the NT case, they are all from the same community, the same religious party. You think the records of MSNBC can be trusted to tell the truth without comparing them to what Fox News has to say for at least some degree of balance? I don't think so. And in the New Testament case, there is no other source to compare it to, so it's a biased account, by all standards because it represents a one-sided view.

As for cooridnating their sotries, yes there was that too. Look at the so-called Synoptic Gospels, where not only verses but whole paragraphs are copied verbatim, especially in Mark's and Matthews' versions, and also between Matthews's and Luke's. The PC term for that is "harmonziing."

But when you have sources from opposing communities writing about the same event or the same person, there's a pretty good chance they didn't sit down to coordinate what they will say.

It's difficult to believe you don't that. So, why are you twisting and spinning?

[OLD REGGIE]

Jesus did not "predict". He named him "Peter" then and there [in John 1:42]

John 1:42 says "thou shalt be called Cephas", future tense. However, I agree that possibly Jesus named Simon Peter as son as He met him, and in Matthew 16 He explains why. Now, is your argument that the name Peter was chosen without connection to the foundation of the Chruch that Christ said He will build in Matthew 16?

Yes.

James "my judgment is..." presided and pronounced his judgment

Like I said, "Peter rose (Acts 15:7), spoke (vv 7-11), and all agreed (v 12). St. James as the presider, approved the letter (vv 19-20)." You seem to have forgotten what you are arguing about.

I am not arguing, simply stating the fact that Peter was subordinate to James in this situation.

[presently no screen name]

Hear and obey what? What else is there but GOD'S WORD. Why don't you know that?

You demand blind obedience Are you calling FAITH blind obedience? One cannot be pleasing to God without faith. Who are you pleasing? And "I" demand nothing - for 'It is Written'.

ya'll could afford some kind of Maginsetium,. WE bow to no man BUT GOD ALONE.

that would limit your freedom to interpret God's Word to mean what ever you want it .. To limit freedom is what the RCC does - in order to fulfill it's NEED to control. Control is manipulation/witchcraft from the pit. THE HOLY SPIRIT interprets/reveals HIS OWN WORD. And who the Son sets free is free indeed to hear, obey and worship ONLY Him.

LOL I laugh, too, because once again you point out the VAST difference between the RCC and God's Church.

[count-your-change]

The external evidence is that Matthew's account was written about 41 A.D.

The naysayers about the gospels always try to place their writing after 70 A.D. since to do otherwise would be to acknowledge the accuracy of Jesus’ prophecy about the destruction of Jerusalem,.
But those who had heard Jesus’ prophecy and acted on it were spared the horrors of Jerusalem's destruction that Josephus wrote about afterward.

Thus by the accuracy of its prophecies the Bible is proved truly God's Word.

[HarleyD]

All men are called to good works and some choose to do them and some choose not to,....

Hmmmmmm...... Do you believe that there are any good works that come from the Father that are not done because of us?

[presently no screen name]

And GOD ALWAYS WAS......How do you know that?

Why don't YOU know that?

No I simply post the words I find in the Bible.

That's ALL you are capable of doing. But you don't stop there; you, pridefully, voice your 'opinion' on God's Word. And your opinion IS VOID of Truth because God's Word is Spiritually discerned and you empty of spiritual discernment.

You've been told that repeatedly and you ignore it because God's Word is nothing to you in spite of the fact you will be judged on it. Whether you believe it or not - is of no consequence to anyone but yourself.

[OLD REGGIE]

This is not a unique circumstance. Monks and nuns are not interested in sex either, and for the same reason.

And you know this how?

Because no Monk or Nun has ever had a sexual liason.

[kosta50]

But you don't stop there; you, pridefully, voice your 'opinion' on God's Word...And your opinion IS VOID of Truth.

You pridefully cliam that it is God;'s word as a matter of fact, rather than faith, and so far you have offered no proof of that "fact." Talk about void!

... in spite of the fact you will be judged on it.

Oh, yet another "fact"! You're pathetic.

[kosta50]

The external evidence is that Matthew's account was written about 41 A.D.

LOL! What 'external evidence'?

[presently no screen name]

You've answered the question and stated that Matthew wrote the gospel to make it appear that the OT prophecy was being fulfilled......But I didn't suggest what compelled the author to do that.

The author of your posts, YOU, suggest that Matthew was deceiving.

after the crucifixion was probably not even born when Christ died

PROBABLY. Using your own understanding is taught against because it leads astray. Tell us how you 'JUST POST GOD'S WORD, again? You don't even KNOW the author, but are so SURE what He means. You are interpreting, casting YOUR OWN thoughts - that you are NOT equipped for. Another example of deliberate act of pride - you know better than THE ALMIGHTY, than JESUS THE WORD, than the HOLY SPIRIT.

Either your apparent lack of comprehension is appalling, or you deliberately enjoy twisting things into false conclusions. Only you can answer that.

With your own KNOWN lack of spiritual discernment; you continue to tell BELIEVERS that they are wrong is more than appalling. You deliberately enjoy posting DECEIT. And YOU WILL answer for that.

[Natural Law]

"What else is there but GOD'S WORD."

Slow down and think about what you are going to post before you hit the enter key. I am saying that Protestants do not know for sure what God's Words mean as evidenced by the significant variation in the dogma on the non-Cathlolic Christians. Using your self validating methodology you have convinced yourselves that the works of Paul are equal to and often surpass the actual words of Christ in meaning and significance. The comedic chest thumping by fringe Protestants and pronouncements on the Salvation of others who do not believe as you do are pathetic. You continue to pronounce science wrong and invalid because it is in conflict with YOPIS. Your cabal that can't even agree on the existence or definition of the Trinity condemns Catholicism for having an orthodoxy because it doesn't correlate with what a few of you believe, even though significant numbers of Protestant denominations accept major portions of the Catholic dogma. LOL indeed.

[Belteshazzar]

Natural Law wrote:
“ ... even though significant numbers of Protestant denominations accept major portions of the Catholic dogma.”

I know what you mean, but the more even handed way to say the same thing is this: “even though significant numbers of Protestant denominations recognize major portions of Catholic dogma as being scriptural.”

Still more even handed would be to add this: “Significant numbers of Catholics recognize major portions of Protestant doctrine as being scriptural.”

Both statements I gave, as far as I am concerned, are true.

[presently no screen name]

You pridefully cliam that it is God;'s word as a matter of fact, rather than faith, and so far you have offered no proof of that "fact." Talk about void!

God's Word always was, always will be. You are clueless about faith - remember, you are lost. So, again, what you say is NULL and VOID.

I'm not here to offer you anything. Jesus offers. Instead of being like a little beggar seeing what man can offer you. YOU HAVE TO GET WHAT YOU NEED by yourself through the One that does the offering. It's called being accountable for yourself/your destiny.

... in spite of the fact you will be judged on it. Oh, yet another "fact"! You're pathetic.

Seems more like you are doomed!

[count-your-change]

Hey everybody! Oh happy day! I must be back on the precious kosta50 “List”!!! Now that is a LOL!!!

[stfassisi]

Matt 15:8-9 "These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.'"

You should really know that this applies to hateful people who hide behind religion and write things like- Do you thing those Scriptures will be heeded by Catholics? I doubt it, because they don't love THE WORD/Jesus.

God's Word, THE TRUTH, is now considered acid?

The way in which you apply God's word to anti Catholicism is acid in your overwhelming hatred of Catholicism that seemingly has consumed your whole being.What you're doing is demonic. I will pray for your healing

Please don't post me anymore,I would rather pray for you than read your bitterness

[metmom]

First I never said anyone deliberately lied. People write what they believe and if their beliefs are false, it is not a deliberate lie.

On the contrary, when you stated that the NT was written to make it look like OT prophecy was fulfilled, that is stating that it was written with deliberate intent to deceive.

You are then, in effect, telling us that Matthew, and all the other writers of the Bible lied.

In addition, by claiming that, you are accusing the Catholic church of deliberately perpetrating a falsehood, aka a lie.

What's worse, and really most pathetic, is that the members of the church that you accuse of lying, applaud your posts and gush about how you've helped *strengthen their faith*.

Attacking the veracity of Scripture, which the Catholic church claims it's based on, is also attacking the veracity of the Catholic church itself. And yet we hear what from the Catholics on this board? Nothing....

And why is that I wonder? Could it be that their desire to see the basis of Protestantism trashed overrides their fidelity to the written word of God itself. What the hey, they have Tradition to fall back on if the Bible is discredited. it won't affect THEIR church any.

[presently no screen name]

Slow down and think about what you are going to post before you hit the enter key.

Why should I slow down, so I go back to your level? It is YOU that needs to catch up to Truth! A Catholic telling me to 'think' is SO over the top pathetic and funny!!!

the works of Paul are equal to and often surpass the actual words of Christ in meaning and significance.

That is the Catholics area - 'debating' about the works of Paul. Have fun!

The comedic chest thumping by fringe Protestants and pronouncements on the Salvation of others who do not believe as you do are pathetic.

Catholics have shown believing on God's Word alone is repellent to them. It is The WORD that does the pronouncing of what salvation is. Open IT, find out for yourself - after, of course, you get permission. Or without it - you could be the next Luther and that would require a desire for TRUTH.

You continue to pronounce science wrong and invalid because it is in conflict with YOPIS.

Talk about thinking before you hit enter!! Where did I say anything about science? Nonetheless, I'll oblige you to set you straight. Anything that is in conflict with ALL Knowing God, THE CREATOR of all and HIS HS INSPIRED WORD IS wrong - doesn't take rocket science to understand that. Only the demonic world would oppose it and DOES oppose God's Word.

Your cabal that can't even agree on the existence or definition of the Trinity condemns Catholicism

The Father, The Son, The Holy Spirit. Catholics 'debate' about a 'word'.

even though significant numbers of Protestant denominations accept major portions of the Catholic dogma. LOL indeed.

WOW! With your 'look who agrees with Catholic dogma' is laughable, indeed. Christians are into TRUTH not numbers. And according to Scripture they have made the right choice.

Matt 7:13,14
"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and MANY enter through it.

"But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a FEW find it.

God's WORD ALONE! Thank You JESUS/The Living WORD!

Have I told you lately... It's ALL about JESUS

[metmom]

First I never said anyone deliberately lied. People write what they believe and if their beliefs are false, it is not a deliberate lie.

On the contrary, when you stated that the NT was written to make it look like OT prophecy was fulfilled, that is stating that it was written with deliberate intent to deceive.

You are then, in effect, telling us that Matthew, and all the other writers of the Bible lied.

In addition, by claiming that, you are accusing the Catholic church of deliberately perpetrating a falsehood, aka a lie.

What's worse, and really most pathetic, is that the members of the church that you accuse of lying, applaud your posts and gush about how you've helped *strengthen their faith*.

Attacking the veracity of Scripture, which the Catholic church claims it's based on, is also attacking the veracity of the Catholic church itself. And yet we hear what from the Catholics on this board? Nothing....

And why is that I wonder? Could it be that their desire to see the basis of Protestantism trashed overrides their fidelity to the written word of God itself. What the hey, they have Tradition to fall back on if the Bible is discredited. it won't affect THEIR church any.

I'm not the one twisting and spinning trying to explain away the NT as just another piece of fiction. That's your department.

So why are you on the RF anyway, attacking the very foundation of faith for millions of people? Why are you trying to convince so many people that the Bible is just another book and that there is no God? By your posts there's no apparent sincere desire to learn. What are you gaining by it? What do you hope to accomplish?

[metmom]

No I simply post the words I find in the Bible.

That's not true either. Your posts are continually filled with assertions contesting the validity of Scripture.

It's interesting that for some people the only time anything in Scripture has any validity is as a bludgeon against the very thing they reject.