Posted on 10/31/2010 11:59:22 AM PDT by RnMomof7
In Christ Alone lyrics
Songwriters: Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;
In Christ alone my hope is found He is my light, my strength, my song This Cornerstone, this solid ground Firm through the fiercest drought and storm
What heights of love, what depths of peace When fears are stilled, when strivings cease My Comforter, my All in All Here in the love of Christ I stand
In Christ alone, who took on flesh Fullness of God in helpless Babe This gift of love and righteousness Scorned by the ones He came to save
?Til on that cross as Jesus died The wrath of God was satisfied For every sin on Him was laid Here in the death of Christ I live, I live
There in the ground His body lay Light of the world by darkness slain Then bursting forth in glorious Day Up from the grave He rose again
And as He stands in victory Sin?s curse has lost its grip on me For I am His and He is mine Bought with the precious blood of Christ
Semper reformanda as a “slogan” is not Lutheran. Semper reformanda as an idea is Lutheran. But it does not mean what you say. Semper reformanda is to the Christian Church what a repentant life is to the Christian. Just as the individual in this life is to be continually returning to the Lord sorrowing over his sins and desiring God’s forgiveness and strengthening so that he might live before God as His true child, so too is the church on earth (which is composed of nothing but repentant children of God) to be continually returning to the foundation of the Apostles and Prophets in order to examine herself, her doctrines and her practice, to see that they are in accord with God’s revealed will.
Real Lutherans subscribe unconditionally to the Lutheran Confessions, that is, to the Book of Concord of 1580, which is composed of the three Ecumenical Creeds, the Augsburg Confession, the Apology (Defense) of the Augsburg Confession, the Small Catechism, the Large Catechism, the Smalcald Articles, the Treatise on the Power and Primacy of the Pope, and the Formula of Concord. These confessions are understood to be the “norma normata” of Christian doctrine because they are draw from that which is the “norma normans,” i.e., the only source and norm of Christian doctrine, the Holy Scriptures of the Old and New Testament. Far from being “ever changing,” this is ever returning to the doctrine that never changes.
There is no modification of the Book of Concord. Truth remains truth.
Even other (mainline) Protestants take the same approach, Cronos, which is of course the Christian approach.
These fringe groups, the various freak cults you mention (Unitarians, English-Israelism, OPC, etc.) who are louder than their miserable numbers, are the ones who get their satisfaction by burning someone (an agnostic, atheist, Arminian, Catholic, doesn't matter) for breakfast, lunch, and dinner on a daily basis. To them a debating forum is a sacrificial altar.
Unless they label someone satanic, threaten them with hell, draw blood or flame anyone who disagrees with them their day isn't done. Nietzsche called people, who preach Christianity and love, but hate the whole world, the people or sessentement. How fitting.
lol. Hey, Cool Breeze, that's pretty hilarious. Once again, not one Scriptural argument against the Protestant faith, just ad hominems.
The Bible is very clear - good works save no one. Good works are the fruit of the Holy Spirit within us. They belong to Christ. They come from Christ. They are Christ.
For RCs to take credit for God's work is the height of hubris.
As far as Calvinists go, they believe the word of God. You may not think you "are the way God made you," but Scripture says otherwise...
" For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive?" -- 1 Corinthians 4:7
The only explanation for such ignorance is that RCs are still lost in the darkness of error and false worship. Christ tells us that if we are His, we are not chained to the obligation of works, but made free by His work on the cross.
" If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed." -- John 8:36
They're so rotten to the core they need a faith that will accept them the way they are.
Close. Yes, we and all men are "rotten to the core," and thus our own good works are incapable of saving us. Thank God for His mercy and for the fact that He "loved us before we loved Him." Thank God he takes fallen sinners and turns their eyes from death to Christ's promise of eternal salvation by His good work on the cross. Thank God for grabbing hold of us "the way we are" (blind, deaf, self-serving and God-denying) and freely giving us new eyes and new ears and a heart of flesh and a renewed mind, all which equips us to understand the Scriptures to learn of our salvation by God's grace through faith in Jesus Christ alone.
God is giving them a free ride to heaven.
Astounding, isn't it? God takes a foolish, fallen bunch of sinners, and instead of condemning them for their errors, He acquits them of their sins by judging them according to the righteousness of Christ for no other reason than it pleases Him to reveal to the universe His miraculous, glorious, unearned mercy.
Therefore, Christians are able to agree with Paul and declare with as much certainty as this life provides that we are indeed "as God made us," by His grace, for His glory.
"But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me." -- 1 Corinthians 15:10
Or is that too precise a question for an agnostic to answer clearly?
There are many reasons for this that I can think of, and strictness is only part of it. Education, information, science, social and political changes all contributed their share.
That is obvious. And that is why you do not belong on this forum.
when you make ad homenem attacks on a man that Catholics know and love you are making personal attacks to the same degree as if you were naming my wife, children and grand children.
Not according to the rules, which you've just told us you don't care about.
Unlike you, I would never mention your wife or your children or even you personally.
But the evil errors of Rome and men like JPII and his Satanic kiss of the koran is fair game.
Not only fair game, it is our Christian duty to call out error regarding the church and to offer men the Scriptural rebuttal to their carnal lies.
"Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him." -- Psalm 2:12
"Kiss the Son." It doesn't say "kiss the book that denies the Son and calls for the death of Christians."
Without God's forgiveness, JPII is roasting as we speaking. Time will tell us.
Don't believe it for a minute. Don't take my word for it, simply look at the content of the posts from avowed Calvinists. They NEVER begin with a quote from the Synoptic Gospels and then substantiate that with a citation of Paul, the lead with and substantiate almost exclusively with the letters of Paul. Taken out of the context of the Gospels the letters of Paul are manipulable and have been used to validate any number of heresies.
Further, the evidence that they don't believe in the consequences of works are apparent in how they reject the lessons of the Beatitudes.
Study to show yourself approved.
Yes, time and eternity will tell us. Nothing else will.
Your mind has obviously been poisoned with Protestant threats of damnation. The souls cast into hell simply no longer exist, no fire, no brimstone, no nothing. The greatest punishment is an eternity without Christ.
CCC 1033 - We cannot be united with God unless we freely choose to love him. But we cannot love God if we sin gravely against him, against our neighbor or against ourselves: "He who does not love remains in death. Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him." Our Lord warns us that we shall be separated from him if we fail to meet the serious needs of the poor and the little ones who are his brethren. To die in mortal sin without repenting and accepting God's merciful love means remaining separated from him for ever by our own free choice. This state of definitive self- exclusion from communion with God and the blessed is called "hell."
So, he became Orthodox before he died?
As far as Paul goes, please show us where the church in Rome has denied Paul's letters were inspired by the Holy Spirit, and as such, are to be followed.
I think RCs dismiss Paul because they haven't even read Him. They appear to know nothing about the Bible other than the Beatitudes.
Their loss.
How can you call yourself a Christian when you believe that Christ is a myth? Talk about goofy and cults.
What's broken in the Orthodox cult that produces adherents who don't even believe the foundational truths of what they claim as their religion are true?
I know Catholics recognize Paul as an author of Holy Scripture which proves that you don't really "think" but rather "feel" guided by your biases. Catholics also know what Calvinists do not, that Scripture has a hierarchy in which the actual words and eye witness accounts of the examples set by Jesus are paramount. Everything else in both the Old and New Testaments is only supportive. Corrupting Paul by citing his works out of context is a greater blasphemy than denouncing or rejecting him.
That's rather novel, NL. At the Final Judgment, the dead are to be resurrected from their graves and given new bodies. At that point, those whom Christ "never knew" are to depart into the lake of fire (prepared for the fallen angels). (cf Matthew 25)
Not only does this mean that they are alive and destined to live eternally deprived of God's presence, but that no one is in heaven or hell as of this time, but rather awaiting the Final (aka Dread) Judgment.
if those cast into hell as you say no longer exist, then how can their greatest punishment in eternity without Christ mean anything?
We didn't exist before we were conceived, and who "remembers" it?
Like a Dalmatian, you're spot on.
Deplorable. He made a mistake, caught in a moment, which I hope he regretted and asked for forgiveness. Are you perfect? Can you not forgive a fellow sinner? Remember "forgive us our trespasses as we have forgiven those who trespassed against us?"
Or is that too precise a question for an agnostic to answer clearly?
Nothing you ask is too precise for this agnsotic to answer clearly.
Perusing several pages of goml's posting history does indeed bear out the veracity of your statement.
It also provides some interesting gems of theology that are truly "unique".
At this point, I'd just dismiss anything someone who claims to be Orthodox has to say on principle alone until they can demonstrate that they aren't infected with the same spiritual virus that destroys someone's faith and ability to reason that we've seen from the those claiming to be Orthodox on these threads.
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