Posted on 10/31/2010 11:59:22 AM PDT by RnMomof7
In Christ Alone lyrics
Songwriters: Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;
In Christ alone my hope is found He is my light, my strength, my song This Cornerstone, this solid ground Firm through the fiercest drought and storm
What heights of love, what depths of peace When fears are stilled, when strivings cease My Comforter, my All in All Here in the love of Christ I stand
In Christ alone, who took on flesh Fullness of God in helpless Babe This gift of love and righteousness Scorned by the ones He came to save
?Til on that cross as Jesus died The wrath of God was satisfied For every sin on Him was laid Here in the death of Christ I live, I live
There in the ground His body lay Light of the world by darkness slain Then bursting forth in glorious Day Up from the grave He rose again
And as He stands in victory Sin?s curse has lost its grip on me For I am His and He is mine Bought with the precious blood of Christ
Read what is says, not what you think it says. It says, St. Joseph knew her not before she gave birth. In other words, the child was not Joseph's. That is all it says.
If Holy Tradition now comes around and supersedes historical facts
Now. It consists of historical facts. There is no "if".
You confuse the Second Person of the Trinity, Jesus Christ, the Eternal Word, with the Holy Scripture. Christ is the Word of God, -- that is, like words that you speak, something unmade by you yet sent by you as good as you to reach us. That, roughly, is how Christ is at time described as The Word, starting with St. John's preamble.
The Holy Scripture is a set of books and letters written by various prophets, Holy Apostles and other clergy at historical times for a historical purpose in historical contexts that existed. The words they wrote are inspired by God and inerrant, but they exist in history. The phrase, to pick one example, "The cloak that I left at Troas, with Carpus, when thou comest, bring with thee, and the books, especially the parchments" (2 Timothy 4:13) did not pre-exist neither the cloak or the parchments in question, let alone the entirety of Creation.
You have just (inadvertently) given a wonderful proof not only of the existence of God, but also of your knowledge of Him, which you try to suppress. If you would like to see it I will show it to you.
Cordially,
So about the 5th. cen. is the earliest known for sure.
“Our first Syriac documents come from about the end of the fifth century (”Testamentum Domini,” ed. by Ignatius Rahmani II, Life of Severus of Antioch, sixth century).”
Catholic Encyclopedia
LOL! Then I need to be honored beyond anyone else who ever lived because no one else so far has proven such a thing.
If you would like to see it I will show it to you
I am waiting...
“So about the 5th. cen. is the earliest known for sure.”
BTW, I’d take most anything from the “Catholic Encyclopedia” with several tablespoons of salt, cyc!
The anaphora and what they said are referred to in the Didache which is from about 100 AD. The earliest actual fragments of Euchologia for various Liturgies probably are from the 400s, but again, these are developments from what, for example, +Ignatius of Antioch was doing in the late 1st and very early 2nd centuries, with the anaphora being remarkably consistent even to this day in the East.
You know, there are East Syriac anaphora also, similar to the West Syriac ones. One or more of these are also used by the Maronites and also the Assyrians and Chaldeans who are Oriental Orthodox. There are dozens of anaphora from both the East and West Syrian praxis. It is conceivable that these were translations and variations on some Greek language anaphora used in the first couple of centuries after Christ.
“LOL! Then I need to be honored beyond anyone else who ever lived because no one else so far has proven such a thing.”
I’ll honor you anyway, kosta mou! :)
INDEED.
WELL PUT.
How do you know that? I can't believe you fell for that fairytale, which has been peddled by Protestant scholars since about the 19th century onward. Nothing could be farther from the truth.
We can tell with high degree of certainty, based on textual criticism method, which of the extant variants of the same verses or books is the "original" (the master variant copy) from which other copies were made, not the the original, i.e. first, manuscript written by the original author.
All we have are books and fragments from the late second century in a number of variants. Thus, all we can tell, using the method mentioned, is for example whether the long, or the short copy of Luke's Gospel came before the other, not what was in Luke's original work when it was first written, presumably in the first century, by an anonymous author the Catholic Church decided to name "Luke," according to tradition.
But I do appreciate tossing in “pseudoepigraphical”, it's impressive, really.
Yeah, pseudoepographical, written by someone other than the supped author, like many other books in the Bible.
I feel honored, but underserving. :)
Where did the hate come from,bb,it can't be part of God's essence or God would not be perfection?
Do you think God had hate in Him before the fall of lucifer?
God is love before the fall of lucifer,bb.Lucifer did not have the power to change and move God from love to hate and neither do we
While the Greek word used can mean to love less, it also can mean to detest...The Hebrew word for hate does not mean to love less...
It's all in the context of what one is reading...
In Gen 29, Jacob did not love Leah less...He didn't love her at all...In fact, outside of sexual release, Jacob had no use for Leah...And you can bet that every time he looked into her eyes, wishing that she was Rachel, there was something there akin to hate...
Only a 'scholar' could mess up the understanding of Jacob's plight with Laban/Rachel/Leah...
I had to look that up...Some people pay good money to learn those words...All I needed was access to a free dictionary to learn that all “pseudoepigraphical” means is 'falsly attributed'...
“Yeah, pseudoepographical, written by someone other than the supped author, like many other books in the Bible.”
How do you know that?
I can’t believe you fell that nonsense promoted by skeptics, atheists and other assorted pseudo-scholars! The objections to Peter’s authorship are downright laughable.
“All we have are books and fragments from the late second century in a number of variants. Thus, all we can tell, using the method mentioned, is for example whether the long, or the short copy of Luke’s Gospel came before the other, not what was in Luke’s original work when it was first written, presumably in the first century, by an anonymous author the Catholic Church decided to name “Luke,” according to tradition.”
That’s what comes of swallowing all that mushy thinking provided by critics of the Bible. You can end up with all mush and no thinking.
You didn't do anything...And neither did your religion...
God says HE preserved the words of scripture and the only thing you guys did was pervert it...
Sure, you guys have your own African versions of the scriptures that you fabricated, but they are not the scriptures that God provided for his chosen people, the Jews; nor the line of scriptures that proceeded from those preserved words which make up the King James Bible that is still available today...
God did not write the bible; fallible men did, men who had no more understanding of the “essence” of the Creator of Existence than you or me. In most cases they did the best they could with their finite and fallen minds. +Gregory the Theologian recognized this when he wrote:
What tripe...The Apostle Paul went to heaven and spent 3 years with the Risen Lord and your 'scholars' say Paul had no more understanding of the essence of the Creator than your scholars do...
I don't know why you guys waste your time reading that stuff...
“Sure, you guys have your own African versions of the scriptures that you fabricated, but they are not the scriptures that God provided for his chosen people, the Jews; nor the line of scriptures that proceeded from those preserved words which make up the King James Bible that is still available today...”
You know, I always believed that Protestantism was a sort of Roman Catholic heresy, like Mohammedanism is really a type of Nestorian heresy, but now I am coming to conclude that with the understanding of scripture which you have just laid out, Protestantism is really just a species of Mohammedan heresy. Fascinating!
“You know, if I had been given a choice between the Roman Catholic or Greek Orthodox churches to belong to, I would have chosen the Greek Orthodox. Now, however, seeing what is thought about holy scriptures, I am not so inclined.”
Well, there is certainly no requirement that you become Orthodox, bb.
“He used men inspired by him and they wrote down what he gave them even when it could not have made any sense to them.”
That’s a very Islamic understanding of the origins of scripture, bb.
“Sure, you guys have your own African versions of the scriptures that you fabricated, but they are not the scriptures that God provided for his chosen people, the Jews; nor the line of scriptures that proceeded from those preserved words which make up the King James Bible that is still available today...”
What a wonderful example of the quality of thought on FR...”African” versions of scripture compared to the real thing that God provided to the white folks, I?
“If a person trusts in Jesus Christ as Lord and savior, accepts the gift of grace God has given, and commits his life to serve the Lord in obedience to his commandments - not to be saved, but out of love and gratitude for God’s mercy and grace. Would that person be a Christian and have assurance of heaven when he died? Leave out religious affiliations or labels. Would you consider that person a Christian and a brother in Christ?”
There is a short answer and a long answer.
The short answer is, yes.
The long answer is, Yeeeeesssss.
Happy Thanksgiving.
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