And here, for the butter lovers....
Posted on 10/31/2010 11:59:22 AM PDT by RnMomof7
In Christ Alone lyrics
Songwriters: Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;
In Christ alone my hope is found He is my light, my strength, my song This Cornerstone, this solid ground Firm through the fiercest drought and storm
What heights of love, what depths of peace When fears are stilled, when strivings cease My Comforter, my All in All Here in the love of Christ I stand
In Christ alone, who took on flesh Fullness of God in helpless Babe This gift of love and righteousness Scorned by the ones He came to save
?Til on that cross as Jesus died The wrath of God was satisfied For every sin on Him was laid Here in the death of Christ I live, I live
There in the ground His body lay Light of the world by darkness slain Then bursting forth in glorious Day Up from the grave He rose again
And as He stands in victory Sin?s curse has lost its grip on me For I am His and He is mine Bought with the precious blood of Christ
It’s a stronger one than the Catholic church or you have provided.
John 20:19 has nothing to do with His birth.
Jesus ability to walk through walls in His RESURRECTED body does not imply any special ability to pass through Mary’s body that way before His death. That’s a complete fabrication and the most wishful thinking I’ve ever seen.
Jesus shared with us in His humanity.
You guys are unreal (and unrealistic) in your imaginative stretches to justify the doctrine of Mary’s perpetual virginity.
She didn’t NEED to remain a virgin after the birth of Christ. It served no purpose and was irrelevant to the work of Christ on the cross.
You guys need to get your focus back on Jesus.
Big deal. Lots of religions that have been around longer than the Catholic church teach a lot of things they call the truth.
Why does the church make up things about people which can't be Scripturally supported. but rather is directly contradicted by a plain reading of the Bible, and pass them off as truth?
The Bible doesn't teach it and that's all that counts.
Amen.
Rome elevates Mary to a supernatural position reserved for God alone. One of the terrible results of this idolatry is to emasculate and feminize the church, thus robbing it of its strength and purpose, making it more pliable and vulnerable to assault by superstition and heresy."
Neither the church nor Mary is "our Mother." It is enough to have the Father and the Son.
Why all you have to do is read that silly tripe called the Infancy Gospel of James. A bright light...and presto! there the child was!
They make the grace of God of no effect.
"Be not afraid; only believe." -- Mark 5:36
They don't get it.
Actually, no, God certainly knew that man is unable to keep the law perfectly because in the NT we are told that if you keep the whole law but offend in one part, you are guilty of the whole law. That is why the high priest made the sin-offering for the people once a year in the Holy of Holies. That is why Jesus rebuked the Pharisees who boasted that they had kept the entire law when he showed them that God meant not only the letter of the law but the spirit as well. It was not enough to say, "I never killed anyone.", if you had ever hated anyone. It was not enough to say, "I have never committed adultery.", if you had ever lusted after someone not your spouse.
Like Scripture says, the law was made to show us point-blank how sinful we really are and how we all, no matter how good we think we are, need a savior. Besides, do you really think the perfection of God, the holiness of God is attainable by man alone? We sin before we are even old enough to know that is what we are doing.
We are all sinners and if Christ had never come for us, we would all be rightfully condemned to eternal separation from God. But God, in his infinite mercy and grace did not leave us in this state. He came to earth as a man, lived that perfect life, and willingly gave that life as a sacrifice, a propitiation, for our sins. It satisfied his demand for justice, his insistence on holiness and perfection and his command that "without the shedding of blood, there can be no remission of sins.".
And here, for the butter lovers....
You call that "silly tripe"? You do it great honor.
But the rules of the RF prevent one from stating what it really is.
However, it's not as bad, or as badly written, as that nonsense called the Infancy gospel of Thomas, where Jesus as a boy is an out of control brat, maiming and killing everyone who displeases him.
What unadulterated hogwash.
I ask one more time - are you saying that the Mary, mother of James and Joses in Mark 15:40 is not the mother of Jesus and was not present at the time?
Yum, me like buttered popcorn!!! The real stuff, not the “movie theater” kind.
There were THREE women named Mary at the Crucifixion of our Lord:
John 19:25 (multiple translations to be sure that there aren't any questions):Douay-Rheims
Now there stood by the cross of Jesus, his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalen.King James Version
Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene.New International Version
Near the cross of Jesus stood his mother, his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene.
Now, these are the woman Saint John (who, unlike Saints Matthew and Mark, was ALSO present and is speaking from his own personal experience and not what has been told to him) says was there:
1. Mary, the mother of God
2. Mary, the wife of Cleophas (and presumably the sister of the Blessed Mother, though it is possible that the sister is a fourth woman who is not named) and the mother of James and Joses
3. Mary Magdalene
Now, it seems to me that we have two choices:
1. We accept what Saint John wrote about the three Marys and conclude that Saints Matthew and Mark were only speaking of the two Marys being "afar off" and that they saw no need to mention that the mother of God was at the foot of the Cross with Saint John.
or
2. We determine that the Gospel of Saint John contradicts the Gospels of Saints Matthew and Mark. However, it must be pointed out that anyone who accepts this proposition must also be prepared to accept that EVERY VERSE in the Bible is false.
Keep in mind that Matthew 27:56 speaks of yet ANOTHER woman since it also mentions the mother of the sons of Zebedee and it has never been suggested that Saint James the Apostle and Saint John were relatives of Christ.
The Greek word hypostasis is either left untranslated nad simply transliterated as ѵпостаси (as in Hebrews 1:3), or it is translated as bytiye, which means being (as in Greek), from the Slavonic verb быти (byti), to be.
metmom: "Big deal. Lots of religions that have been around longer than the Catholic church teach a lot of things they call the truth.
Why does the church make up things about people which can't be Scripturally supported. but rather is directly contradicted by a plain reading of the Bible, and pass them off as truth?"
Just curious, are you an Arian?
"The Bible doesn't teach it and that's all that counts." That's not what the men who put together the canon of your bible believed. In fact, they measured the acceptability, the "canonicity" of various scriptures against what The Church believed, Holy Tradition and liturgical praxis among other things. They worshiped God in a fashion almost identical to the way Orthodox Christians do to this day. Where does your idea come from?
Lots of people believe in the Easter bunny, too. That's a tradition.
The Bible is quite clear about Mary and Joseph having sex and other children. I don't care what some guys who died a long time ago thought. They could have just made it up and passed it off as being true and here are millions of people believing something on their say so that is not even alluded to in the Bible.
There is ZERO Scriptural support for any of it. I don't care who they claimed to be or who the Catholic says they are, if they're contradicting written Scripture that the church fathers canonized as the infallible word of God, they're wrong.
There's no reason in the world to pass off this nonsense about the immaculate conception of Mary and her perpetual virginity. It plays no role in Christ's work of redemption on the cross. It's extraneous stuff that just gets people's eyes off Christ and God.
Jesus says....(John 14:6) Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Putting anything in the mix besides that is idolatry.
Thanks for all your pings, Dr E, bros & sis.
Am way behind. Not likely to get caught up any time soon.
If the Protestants want to worship the book the Bishops of the Church compiled, then fine. Have at it. Knock your socks off. I often find your interpretations of scripture to be quite amusing. Just do not ever... EVER call yourselves Christians. A true Christian does NOT place the words of St. Paul on the same level, nor (as seen disgustingly way too often here place) do true Christians place the words of St. Paul OVER those of Christ.
This 'Sola Scriptura' nonsense Protestants like trot out over and over and over again on these forums is about as anti-Christian as it gets. You CANNOT reduce Christ to a few chapters in some "magic perfect book" and then call yourselves Christians. I find that obscene.
Go ahead and worship that book the Church compiled long after Christ founded his Church on earth. Just don't pretend the Bible came before Christianity. Treating each part of the Bible as important as the Gospels is about as anti-Christian as someone can get. Bible worshipers or folks that treat the Bible as 'perfect' are about as Christian as Muslims are. (By the way... PLEASE at least get the chronology of Christianity right. It's not that complicated. First came Christ. Then came the Apostles and their succession, and THEN MUCH LATER CAME THE BIBLE!!!!
This really shouldn't be that hard to understand - Christ chose 12 guys to follow him around so he could teach them what they need to teach the rest of us. Christ DID NOT hire a scribe, or wait until the printing press was invented before he showed up on Earth. Christ brilliantly chose men that could teach things that words alone cannot do. The written word is a horrible way of teaching. Hands on face to face transference of knowledge IS NOT. Yet the Protestants love to worship a BOOK!! That's just silly. It's nice to have a book to accompany someone in their quest to be an apprentice of Christ, but if I want to TRULY learn what it is that Christ wants from us, I'm going listen to the folks he taught, and not rely solely on the acoompanying "manual" for my education.
Believing the Bible is the inerrant 'word' of God is about ridiculous as believing in the Easter Bunny.
Would you like some cheese?
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