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In Christ Alone (Happy reformation day)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExnTlIM5QgE ^ | Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;

Posted on 10/31/2010 11:59:22 AM PDT by RnMomof7

In Christ Alone lyrics

Songwriters: Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;

In Christ alone my hope is found He is my light, my strength, my song This Cornerstone, this solid ground Firm through the fiercest drought and storm

What heights of love, what depths of peace When fears are stilled, when strivings cease My Comforter, my All in All Here in the love of Christ I stand

In Christ alone, who took on flesh Fullness of God in helpless Babe This gift of love and righteousness Scorned by the ones He came to save

?Til on that cross as Jesus died The wrath of God was satisfied For every sin on Him was laid Here in the death of Christ I live, I live

There in the ground His body lay Light of the world by darkness slain Then bursting forth in glorious Day Up from the grave He rose again

And as He stands in victory Sin?s curse has lost its grip on me For I am His and He is mine Bought with the precious blood of Christ


TOPICS: Prayer; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: reformation; savedbygrace
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To: bkaycee; Alamo-Girl

In the word of a much respected FReerette,....

jeepers.....


2,361 posted on 11/17/2010 7:52:58 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: smvoice
See post 2320 on this thread for more information on your Church's beliefs and teachings in regards to 'Mary's spouse IS the Holy Spirit'. It's not a new epiphany for Mark Mallett or you. It's been in the Catholic teachings for awhile.
There you go again, smvoice. I never stated this was an epiphany of Mark Mallett or myself. You spread so many falsehoods, how do you learn anything? St. Louis de Montfort was the first (or among the first) saint(s) to state this, and he died in 1716.
2,362 posted on 11/17/2010 8:08:20 AM PST by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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To: bkaycee

I didn’t realize that Monty Python was curator of the Vatican archives and author of so much of their dogma.


2,363 posted on 11/17/2010 8:09:42 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: metmom
I honestly don’t recall specifically hearing that as a Catholic. I’m not sure if any others raised Catholic remember that either.

I do remember in religion class, hearing that the Holy Spirit was Mary's spouse.

2,364 posted on 11/17/2010 8:10:05 AM PST by bkaycee
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To: bkaycee

Which spouse was in charge of foot massages

and which spouse was in charge of shoulder massages?


2,365 posted on 11/17/2010 8:12:10 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: mlizzy
Oh good, then set the record straight, once and for all. Is this an official teaching of the RCC? If so, how long has it been a teaching. I know you said St. Louis de Montfort was the first (or among the first) saint(s) to state this, and he died in 1716., so did his statement make it into RCC doctrine and if so, how long did it take before it became doctrine? Are there any more questions I should ask in order to make this record CLEAR? Thank you for your work on behalf of setting the record straight on "Mary's spouse IS the Holy Spirit" statement you posted, from your thread entitled So Little TIme Left (urgent messages from Mark Mallett). Have I left anything else out? Oh, I should clarify: it was not an epiphany of mlizzy or Mark Mallett. It's been around since at least 1716. That should make it better, knowing it's been around for at least 294 years. hmmmm.....
2,366 posted on 11/17/2010 8:19:50 AM PST by smvoice (Defending the Indefensible: The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: HarleyD
article quote: "the one supreme sacrifice of which the rest were but types and figures."

The Atonement isn't a "type" or "figure".

You got that wrong. Reread the article you quote. It says that "the rest" (previous animal sacrifices) were but types and figures of the true Sacrifice and Atonement of Christ.

It is an actual atonement of our Lord's perfect blood being spilled on our sinful behalf to pay for our penalty of sin. This is what the early western fathers taught.

This what the Church teaches. However, she also teaches that the atonement was paid to God, not to Satan, as some of the Fathers speculated.

They consider the Pope to be one leader of many. Now either the Orthodox view is wrong or the Catholic doctrine that says the Pope is infallible is wrong. You can't have it both ways.

You realize there is a schism between much of the East and Rome. Before the split, the majority Eastern view was correct. After the split, they wrongly rejected the primacy of Peter for political reasons. Many Eastern Orthodox wish to see and end to the schism. However, partisans of the schism falsely pretend to have maintained continuity with the beliefs before the split. These Eastern Orthodox say the Pope is "first among equals," whatever that means.

Read through "A Treatise of Predestination of the Saints" and tell me if you agree with Augustine's conclusions. I do.

Have you read St. Augustine's magnum opus City of God? Do you agree with that?

why does the Church allow homosexual priests to stay in the clergy?

According to Congressional testimony, the US Communist Party infiltrated American Catholic seminaries with thousands of sleeper agents who were trained to pretend orthodoxy until they reached high rank. Many of these sleepers wormed their way into controlling positions at the seminaries and proceeded to screen out non-homosexuals. The same thing was done throughout the Western World. Protestant denominations were also likely affected. As a result, mainline Protestant denominations have overturned their doctrines on homosexuality but the Catholic Church, miraculously, has not. Presently, the communist-homosexual cabal still has too much raw power to prevent its mass expulsion. They will likely remain in place until the Holy Inquisition is restored to root them out.

2,367 posted on 11/17/2010 8:20:26 AM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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To: Natural Law
"Saint Ephrem the Syrian was probably the first early Christian to refer to Mary as the Bride of Christ...

Not really...This religion is as old as Moses...

Since your guys didn't get this junk from the scriptures, it doesn't take much of a search to see where you got it from...

2,368 posted on 11/17/2010 8:21:04 AM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: metmom; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; Dr. Eckleburg

“Mary? You mean His Mother? Now the *bride* of Christ, as in His spouse as an individual?”

This is no more than the Roman version of the Babylonian myth of Ishtar and Tammuz (a form of Baal idolatry). Ishtar, the “Queen of heaven”, gives birth to Tammuz, the eternally dieing and resurrecting god who becomes her consort.

Ecc. 3:15, “That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been;..”


2,369 posted on 11/17/2010 8:28:24 AM PST by blue-duncan
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To: Iscool

Since your guys didn’t get this junk from the scriptures, it doesn’t take much of a search to see where you got it from...


INDEED.


2,370 posted on 11/17/2010 8:30:27 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: annalex
“I know not man”, she said. A woman intending to have children with her fiancee does not respoind like that.

Fantasy...All virgins can make that claim...Has nothing to do with intentions...

After the 'til' happened, Mary could then say, 'I now know a man'...

2,371 posted on 11/17/2010 8:30:59 AM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: metmom

Jeepers, indeed.


2,372 posted on 11/17/2010 8:33:01 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Quix

Where’s a good mule picture when you need one???


2,373 posted on 11/17/2010 8:40:22 AM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool

I’m having to revamp a lot of my gifs . . . have to get the links right and transferred to my account so they aren’t encroaching on other photobucket users’ accounts when hotlinking.

I was ignorant or unthinking about such things. Sigh.

Will take me some time to do all that.

It’s pretty easy to set up your own free account. And derriving the link and posting it in a post is also pretty easy.

Let me know if you need help.

You can search their site . . . animal pics, donkey pics, whatever search term you want.


2,374 posted on 11/17/2010 8:43:15 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: smvoice
I already answered these questions: I do not believe this is dogma, however, it is a Catholic belief.

The Holy Spirit And Mary
2,375 posted on 11/17/2010 9:01:02 AM PST by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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To: Iscool; Quix

ANother one we need is a nun with a yardstick. THe Penguin. Rapping the fingers of all who use the wrong punctuation or sentence structure. Anything to keep attention away from the SUBJECT, you know...


2,376 posted on 11/17/2010 9:01:20 AM PST by smvoice (Defending the Indefensible: The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: Quix

Absolutely, it does. But not everything considered good is from God. Hitler thought is was good to kill the Jews, Obama and his cohorts think it’s good to bring down America, the Vatican deceives by saying their man made doctrine/traditions are from God and even assigned ‘holy’ to it.

The list is endless. God warns about it in His Word.

Isaiah 5:20-21 “Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter”. “Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes and clever in their own sight.”


2,377 posted on 11/17/2010 9:02:37 AM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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To: mlizzy

Thank you. I just wanted your clear answer on this thread.


2,378 posted on 11/17/2010 9:03:32 AM PST by smvoice (Defending the Indefensible: The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: Diamond; bkaycee
what did Honorius do as bishop of Rome

I looked it up at the Catholic Encyclopedia. This is what they said about Honorius' letter in question:

"The letter cannot be called a private one, for it is an official reply to a formal consultation. It had, however, less publicity than a modern Encyclical. As the letter does not define or condemn, and does not bind the Church to accept its teaching, it is of course impossible to regard it as an ex cathedra utterance. But before, and even just after, the Vatican Council such a view was sometimes urged, though almost solely by the opponents of the dogma of Papal Infallibility."

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07452b.htm

The dogma of Petrine infallibilty was apparently unknown in Honorius' era because forty years after he committed error, i.e., was fallible

No. Honorius' letter did not undermine the doctrine of infallibility because it did not meet the test of an ex cathedra utterance. The fact that the Seventh Century letter from Honorius is the strongest case against infallibility you can draw from tumultuous 2000 years of Catholic history speaks volumes.

Not only is the reasoning circular, it is useless because you never know whether some current promulgation will be overturned forty years from now or not.

The reasoning could only be circular to a Protestant with no objective standard for determining truth, depending solely upon his own subjective interpretation of Catholic scriptures. Catholics have such an objective standard, even if they sometimes forget to use it. If one detects error coming from the pope according to objective standard, one knows immediately upon detection that the utterance is not ex cathedra. What could be more straightforward than that?

2,379 posted on 11/17/2010 9:06:09 AM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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To: Natural Law
why would anyone with a healthy mind believe that any of it makes any difference at all

That's rich considering what's contained in your post #2320 as teachings from Rome. Only a warped mind could entertain such deception.
2,380 posted on 11/17/2010 9:19:44 AM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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