Posted on 10/31/2010 11:59:22 AM PDT by RnMomof7
In Christ Alone lyrics
Songwriters: Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;
In Christ alone my hope is found He is my light, my strength, my song This Cornerstone, this solid ground Firm through the fiercest drought and storm
What heights of love, what depths of peace When fears are stilled, when strivings cease My Comforter, my All in All Here in the love of Christ I stand
In Christ alone, who took on flesh Fullness of God in helpless Babe This gift of love and righteousness Scorned by the ones He came to save
?Til on that cross as Jesus died The wrath of God was satisfied For every sin on Him was laid Here in the death of Christ I live, I live
There in the ground His body lay Light of the world by darkness slain Then bursting forth in glorious Day Up from the grave He rose again
And as He stands in victory Sin?s curse has lost its grip on me For I am His and He is mine Bought with the precious blood of Christ
I’ve often been self-deprecating about my own lack of knowledge.
I probably admit being wrong on FR more than the next 10 contenders combined by a wide margin.
I don’t know that I have anything to add about the term and your use of it in this thread.
Cheers.
blue-duncan wrote:
“That may be the case but he was a friend of the Roman Catholic Church and wanted to reform it not leave it.”
Of course he wanted to reform it! Did Christ desire that we all be one or not? Would it have been better had Rome listened and reformed itself or not? Isn’t the will of God both that the truth be confessed and the unity of the spirit maintained? Man’s sin has, of course, wrecked all that. But shouldn’t we still desire what God desires? I will readily admit that truth trumps unity, for false unity destroys truth. But unity is still to be desired, if possible.
blue-duncan also wrote:
“His argument was not with the doctrine of Mary, but justification by faith alone.”
Luther’s argument with Rome was about far more than only justification by faith, although that is surely the chief point (since it is the chief doctrine of the Holy Scriptures). Read him and see.
Again, Quix, cheers to you too. I have no ax to grind with you. I told you some time ago that there would be occasions when we would disagree and, I guess, we have. Such is the struggle Christians have who contend for the truth in matters spiritual. I don’t doubt your sincerity. Nor have I ever questioned it. Nor have I ever questioned your motives. Your methods are not mine ... nor, quite apparently, are mine yours.
p.s. By the way, I too like your seal on the beach graphic better than your braying donkey. Sometimes change is good.
p.p.s. ... got you to look up “adiaphoron.”
Thank you for sharing your insights, dear brother in Christ!
LOL.
All plenty true. Thx.
I was pretty sure I understood the meaning.
However, I’ve loved dictionaries most of my life.
Though I rarely read them recreationally very much.
Jim Jones and David Koresh thought the same
I told you not to post me again and ignoring it shows your pride of self,Jim Jones
The Church does not teach this. If you indulge lust in your mind, that is a sin. It was sinful to have a temptation as long as that temptation was resisted. No change here.
So we went from a blood sacrifice to pay our penalty to someone dying for us because it's a nice thing to do.
No. The article reaffirms Atonement with God "through the blood of His Cross" but traces the development of reasoning on why Satan WAS NOT the receiver of the payment. Are you saying that Satan WAS receiver of the payment? That is the only issue you could have, since the Church fully retains her belief in the Sacrifice. Her priests re-present the Sacrifice at every Mass.
Please let me know of one Orthodox Christian who believes the Pope is the head of the Church.
St. Irenus did. He was an Eastern Christian.
I'd doubt if you would get Augustine to agree with many of the doctrines of the Church today. While he often supported the Catholic Church, at that time it was just about the only thing going.
Augustine's support of Church doctrine in his times attests to his general support since those doctrines have not and will never change.
Let me know when the Church banishes from the Church the homosexuals and pedophiles. This kind of goes back to your first point doesn't it?
Even though some Church human institutions have been temporarily infiltrated by homosexuals, her divinely guided against the sin have never changed, as the ongoing howls of protest aptly attest.
Fine. Have it your way.
You’ve missed the point ... but have it your way.
Where did you get such nonsense? St. Sylvester I was pope during the Council of Nicea in 325. No emperor ever served as pope.
You ignore the Albigensians (Over the twenty year period of this campaign an estimated 200,000 to 1,000,000 people were killed).
Albigensians were not Christian. Read up on them before you respond.
John Huss, a Bohemian preacher of reformation, was burned at the stake on July 6, 1415. Pope Martin V issued a bull on 17 March 1420 which proclaimed a crusade "for the destruction of the Wycliffites, Hussites and all other heretics in Bohemia".
The Hussites had already destroyed the Churches and monasteries and slaughtered the Catholics of Bohemia. This was my original post:
"For 1500 years, the Catholic Church authenticated its teaching by reference to its scripture in the context of history. No Christian ever thought to question this basic understanding of reality."
Neither the Albigensians nor Hussites were Protestants. Are you saying these groups were Christians who questioned teaching according to history?
The Crusades in the Middle East also spilled over into conquest of Eastern Orthodox Christians by Roman Catholics and attempted suppression of the Orthodox Church.
The sack of Constantinople of by Crusaders was strongly opposed by the pope but he could not control the soldiers at a distance. It was a great tragedy, but the city had a massive collection of wealth and no fighting men to defend it. Westerners at the time kept up their fighting skills by frequent wars. No pile of treasure in the West would have survived if left undefended.
That might be true but Constantine certainly did his part of the first ecumenical council in Nicaea. Constantine invited 300 bishops to attend, with all expenses paid. He also gave the Bishops their opening instructions. He was VERY involved in Nicaea. Rome and religion were working very closely together for the same end result. Keeping Rome powerful, if not by politics, then by religion. The same thing they enjoy today, a political system state, and a religious state. Each side saw the value in the other side and a pact of convenience was arranged. Never mind that Roman paganism found its way to the Catholic Church. That too was conveniently merged together. And so it's been down the years, until lately, voodoo is the new paganism finding its home in Rome.
I have seen morons and village idiots slinging that hash on these threads for years. Anyone with any education knows it to be a repeated lie.
The term Pontiff, the word used for the Bishop of Rome has its origins in the Roman title of Pontifus Maximus but there is no other connection. The term signifying respect was adopted by the Church to designate the Bishop of Rome and no one else. Flavius Valerius Aurelius Constantinus (Constantine for those of you in Rio Linda) was never the Bishop of Rome or any other place. On a similar note, I had a dog named Rex, but he was never a king either.
I got you Babe, da-da-da-da-da-da. I got you Babe da-da-da-da-da-da. Yup, St. Groundhogs day!
Luther was far from Godly. He was an evil corrupt man that even today can be indicted, not by what Catholic historians write about him, but by his own words:
"Be a sinner and sin boldly, but believe and rejoice in Christ even more boldly for he is victorious over sin, death, and the world. As long as we are here in this world we have to sin. This life is not a dwelling place of righteousness"
"No sin will separate us from the lamb, even though we commit fornication and murder a thousand times a day."
"Whenever the devil harasses you, seek the company of men or drink more, or joke and talk nonsense, or do some other merry thing. Sometimes we must drink more, sport, recreate ourselves, and even sin a little to spite the devil, so that we leave him no place for troubling our consciences with trifles. We are conquered if we try too conscientiously not to sin at all. So when the devil says to you: do not drink, answer him: I will drink, and right freely, just because you tell me not to."
"The imputation of righteousness we need very much, because we are far from perfect. As long as we have this body, sin will dwell in our flesh. Then, too, we sometimes drive away the holy spirit; we fall into sin, like Peter, David, and other holy men. Nevertheless we may always take recourse to this fact, that our sins are covered, and that God will not lay them to our charge. Sin is not held against us for Christ's sake."
"your sin cannot cast you into hell"
"No sin can harm me"
Or how about his "Godly statements about Jews:
"The Jews deserve to be hanged on gallows, seven times higher than ordinary thieves"
"We ought to take revenge on the Jews and kill them."
"The blind Jews are truly stupid fools"
"Now just behold these miserable, blind, and senseless people."
"eject them forever from this country"
"they are nothing but thieves and robbers"
"What then shall we do with this damned, rejected race of Jews?"
"Such a desperate, thoroughly evil, poisonous, and devilish lot are these Jews"
"They are the real liars and bloodhounds"
"We are at fault for not slaying them."
"I shall give you my sincere advice: first to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them."
"Second, I advise that their houses also be razed and destroyed."
"Fifth, I advise that safe-conduct on the highways be abolished completely for the Jews."
"Burn down their synagogues, forbid all that I enumerated earlier, force them to work, and deal harshly with them"
"If this does not help we must drive them out like mad dogs"
"If I had to baptize a Jew, I would take him to the river Elbe, hang a stone around his neck and push him over with the words `I baptize thee in the name of Abraham' The peasants of Germany revolted in 1525 because of their miserable living conditions and were slaughtered at the behest of Martin Luther!
"They should be knocked to pieces, strangled and stabbed, secretly and openly, by everybody who can do it, just as one must kill a mad dog!"
So when do you celebrate Christmas, Labor Day? Do you have a barbecue or a Christmas tree? Does Santa visit your kids or do you kill the mystery of Christmas for them? Do you have wreaths, holly, mistletoe, and yule logs?
All of the above.
Then you agree that the actual date is not as important as THAT He was born and that there is a place for unscriptural tradition in the worship of Him. All that is good is of God.
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